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anti global warming rhetoric and America's decline

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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

It's not that climate hasn't changed in the past. It's not a question of the historical range of various climate related values.

The problem is that for our history as a species, we have had a very stable climate that we are adapted to, which is a huge part of the reason we were able to advance to our present level.

The other issue is the RATE at which climate is changing; it is far faster than anything in the historical record, and faster than the capacity of most species to adapt (likely including us).




posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:30 AM
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from what i see the petrol-chemo industry is killing us. plain and simple
if not by being responsible ~for heating up "our" planet it´s killing us by poisoning.
by directly and indirectly provoking wars,famine and all kinds of misery.
of course it´s not the only thing that is killing people,plants and animals.

maybe it should be called Global-Murdering instead of Global-Warming.

Hemp could have saved us if we had started using it (again) fifty years ago and if we would have stopped the lunatic poisoning industry.

i guess one really big super volcano or an meteoroid impact would have a similar effect as all our manmade efforts to kill us off and "destroy the planet".

while claiming to be all worried about global-warming they still want their pipelines, they still enjoy murdering everything in their way.
if we are not already poisoned we are radiated,boiled and generally driven crazy before we are literally blown to bits.

or yeah maybe we pay carbon taxes and live in our smart zones each in it´s own virtual reality unit... and all will be good.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:32 AM
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a reply to: Uberdoubter

Amen!


originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: snchrnct

Regardless of Cooks credentials, he links credible studies to his arguments.

Because skepticalscience does not stroke your confirmation bias, you unleash ad hominem attacks on the site's creator while ignoring the plethorha of evidence that is present and cited on the site. This is a clear example of you being intellectually dishonest.


No, Sceptical Science "cherry picks" only the studies and argumnents that support their particular agenda, while attacking and censoring any dissent from people who oppose their views on AGW. Now that's what I call intellectually weak and dishonest.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: swanne

97% of scientists believe that AGW is what is happening to our climate. Not a majority, not most, but 97 freakin percent.
It is not unreasonable to think that the remaining 3% deluded, misinformed, or directly funded by those that profit from fossil fuel use.

This is about as certain as science can get.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: ApisM
a reply to: swanne

97% of scientists believe that AGW is what is happening to our climate. Not a majority, not most, but 97 freakin percent.
It is not unreasonable to think that the remaining 3% deluded, misinformed, or directly funded by those that profit from fossil fuel use.

This is about as certain as science can get.


It's 97 percent OF climatologist(whose job depends on this) and not all scientist.

ALso the original question" do you believe the climate is changing? was posed by a STUDENT and not a accredited scientist with just 2 responses allowed Yes or No. Hardly scientific and or comprehensive.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: ApisM

Besides the fact that such a number doesn't mean anything in science, and therefore is not a solid argument, it is being interpreted wrongly by most people using this number. Most scientists indeed agree that man has SOME effect on the climate, hence the high percentage, but the EXACT degree to which that is varies greatly per scientist.

While some scientists argue that the warming has been mainly caused by human intervention, others argue that the influence by man is greatly exaggerated, claiming the varieties in climate observations are mainly driven by (underestimated) natural variabilities such as the sun, ocean cycles, and cloud cover. Unfortunately, these (unpopular) views and arguments are not tolerated in the climate change debate. Sadly, it has become a political and emotional debate rather than a scientific one.

So much for "true science".



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

"It is quite preposterous to claim the Earth is not heating. "

Even a large percentage of the "climate change" supporting scientists claim the earth is cooling. You people need to straighten out your propaganda.
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: KEACHI
a reply to: Ohanka

"It is quite preposterous to claim the Earth is not heating. "

Even a large percentage of the "climate change" supporting scientists claim the earth is cooling. You people need to straighten out your false propaganda.


It's not a direct association to the issue. The fear of Climate change is an unstoppable chain effect.

If it was as simple as 'cooling and heating' this would be a done deal.



See this graph? Basically we die if it gets too hot or cold. Saying either of them negates the danger of the other is stupid.

You equally cannot live in -200/200 degree weather.

The intricacy of our planets climate isn't simple either. The same year the South Pole has record breaking cooling, the North Pole has record ice loss. Saying the 'entire planet' is warming or cooling is kind of a broad overstatement anyway.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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a reply to: KEACHI

You need to deny ignorance.

No reputable scientists will tell you Earth is cooling.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:16 AM
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a reply to: snchrnct

No, it presents empirical evidence.

Sites like populartechnology, wattsupwiththat, jonova, ect.. are guilty of cherry picking data and at times just make up fake evidence.

What reputable evidence refutes AGW?

Please provide links that cite actual published studies!



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:18 AM
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SUN is getting hotter, deal with it



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: swanne
a reply to: Zimnydran

Agreed.

We can all agree that pollution is bad, that having to waer a mask because of the smog simply to walk around like in China is plain wrong. We can all agree that oil spills and fracking are bad, we can all agree that killing trees and animals to the point of extinction is wrong.

We all know what we've gotta do.



WE ALL CAN AGREE??......have you seen who the appointments to trump's cabinet are??....it's like putting in a CEO of a tobacco company to be the next surgeon general...let's get real here, the wealthy won, the poor and middle class lost....get ready for dirtier air, dirtier water, more power to corporations and the wealthy, to screw the little guy over after de-regulation kicks in. let's all celebrate that the wealthy will suck more money out (what little is left) of the bank accounts of the rest of us.....has anyone heard what trump will do with the tens of millions that are homeless or that live in poverty?.....trump answer?...i'm going to create millions of jobs, that's it.....well no s**t Sherlock, stock answer by politicians for decades.....how about trump start with hiring Americans to work at his parties at his mar-a-lago mansion instead of hiring H2-B foreign workers.........thehill.com...
maybe trump can set up labor camps for (H2-B) foreign workers to come in and work in most of the fast-food and convenient store jobs, and Walmart would love to have those people, as well food processing corporations.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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a reply to: jrod

These websites actually do cite a lot of peer-reviewed science and other reputable sources! So please double check the validity of your arguments before you post them here..



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: jrod

No the other planets are not warming, that is a myth that keeps getting repeated. I am not stupid enough to believe it.

It's not the Sun!

Other planets are NOT warming!


The sun is actually getting cooler. I quoted myself from page 1 because you apparently just post 1 liners and myths out of haste without bothering to do any fact checking.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: snchrnct
a reply to: jrod

These websites actually do cite a lot of peer-reviewed science and other reputable sources! So please double check the validity of your arguments before you post them here..


What websites?



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:32 AM
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a reply to: jrod

The ones you just critizied.. duh!



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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a reply to: snchrnct

Watts disinformation exposed:
tamino.wordpress.com...

Joanne Nova disinformation exposed:
andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com...

Populartechnology misinformation exposed:
ipka.wordpress.com...
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: bananasam
I understand your argument, however if anything about the analogy is flawed, it's that the subject is just you and not 7 billion people + life on earth.

1) To put it simply, it would be wrong to ignore something where you have a small chance of being right, and being wrong has huge consequences. The chance that climate change is natural variability has been rejected with over a 99% certainty.

theconversation.com...


This is simply not true, and a wrong interpretation of the actual study that was conducted. It clearly states:


There is less than 1 chance in 100,000 that global average temperature over the past 60 years would have been as high without human-caused greenhouse gas emissions, our new research shows.


In other words, yes man has contributed SOMEWHAT to that warming, but that's in ADDITION to natural variability.


2) The fight against climate change just so happens to also reduce the cost of energy, reduce air pollution, and allows citizens to gain energy independence without being on a grid. These are things everyone can utilize.


Really, how does that work in your view? I'm genuinly interested..


As for your other points, I think it's a fair point to still make the argument about storms. I do not disagree and am happy you cited NOAA.

Rising water on the other hand is already affecting people. Note that part of it is climate change and part of it is natural local variability - but we still should do something about it because we see the signs.
www.scientificamerican.com...


Yes, land is being sucked up by the ocean just like new islands are being formed at the same time. That's how a dynamic system works, it's never static and changes all the time.



posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: jrod

Isn't it ironic how you are now trying to debunk and discredit these "phony" websites by citing even phonier websites/blogs yourself? Looks like you just put the names of the websites + the word "exposed" into the search machine and dumped the links here. Hmmz..
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posted on Dec, 19 2016 @ 11:05 AM
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a reply to: snchrnct

I live in the Florida Keys. Sea level rise is here and visible. When we have a full moon or new moon, at high tide streets flood with the ocean literally flooding out of storm drains.

This is a problem all over south Florida and it will only get worse.



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