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originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: AnkhMorpork
Obviously something like this is going on. We still haven't seen Julian just come out and wave from the balcony. If something was going down with regards to the interview, I surmised that Hannity would have had to been in the loop'' So I googled Is Hannity a CIA shill"? I got a page up that said Obrien and Hannity were Cia stooges, with a link to Wikipedia operation mocking bird. So I copied the page to post here...but when I checked the preview after doing it three times all I got was a 404 error. So go figure.
originally posted by: ksiezyc
a reply to: Kettu
Hey you cut off a bit.
On Sean Hannity’s radio show, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said that hacked Democratic documents sent to reporters at Gawker and The Hill may have come from Russia. But, he said, he is confident the emails he received did not come from the same source.
Of course Rich wasn't the source because if he was, Assange would come right out and say it. If the source has been assassinated,
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: curme
Assange is one sketchy dude. He said he didn't release anything on Trump because it wasn't "interesting". Who made him the arbitrator of what is interesting or not?
He has definitely picked a horse in this race, and I bet someone picked it for him.
There's too much logic in your post.
It'll never be accepted by the Assange posse.
originally posted by: thepixelpusher
If Assange is dead or gone we'll know soon. He must have visits to the embassy from his associates, right?
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: TarzanBeta
Let's just ignore the sketchy debacle that is Wikleaks communication regarding these two leaks.
You've got Assange/WL offering a $20k reward for information about the murder of Seth Rich. Assange/WL is obviously aware that millions of people were implying from that action that Seth Rich had been the source.
Assange has been more than happy to let people believe that.
Of course Rich wasn't the source because if he was, Assange would come right out and say it. If the source has been assassinated, the math would have changed considerably. The primary reasons for protecting the source (life and liberty) would no longer apply at that point and WL's obligation to make it known in no uncertain terms that the source had been murdered would outweigh lesser concerns like reputation.
Then you've got Craig Murray saying that the he's met the source, that the source is a DC insider and that he discovered the source at the John Adam's Awards held in DC at the end of September. To listen to Murray, he has Assange's confidence (except the whole "discover" thing). That rules out Seth Rich because Seth Rich was murdered in July. Assange doesn't confirm anything Murray says but Wikileaks tweets links to Craig Murray making statements on his website.
Deliberately muddying the water and opportunistically using the murder of Seth Rich to do it?
Another interesting thing is that Assange (and Murray for that matter) seems to be confirmating a single source — "the source" — for both the DNC emails and the Podesta emails. Podesta's email was on gmail. Unless Podesta gave the emails to WL, the Podesta emails are by definition material gained from a hack.
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Greggers
The CIA and FBI traced the hacks to Russia. They have said so. They have access to our network and can analyze the hack from our end. Assange has access to none of this.
that is true. Assange does have the source that handed him the data. He says it's not from Russia but from inside the US government. Which follows perfectly with some of the earlier reports that were given.
But even if it was Russia, can you explain what was released? Can you explain what sensitive information came out that could have effected the election?
If that information is the Podesta e-mails, then aren't they factually accurate? And if that's the case, what crime was committed here?
I'd honestly love to have someone with integrity discuss this, and you are one of the few on the left.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
So the real question, was the leaks good for the country or bad?
I'm sure the leaks would have been moot if those emails didn't have what they had in them...seems no one wants to talk about the real issue of just what was in those emails in the first place. Also, who is to say that both parties didn't have hack attempts on them and only the democrat's one was successful.
originally posted by: goou111
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
I have not seen one shred of proof that Russia is behind the hacks. Just because you want something to be true really really bad deos not make it true.
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: goou111
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
I have not seen one shred of proof that Russia is behind the hacks. Just because you want something to be true really really bad deos not make it true.
well, why would you believe it?....after all, it's agreed upon by all the American intelligence agencies, and of course, since you are a trump voter, you believe nothing but what comes out of trumps mouth...your butt buddy Putin never lies
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: goou111
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
I have not seen one shred of proof that Russia is behind the hacks. Just because you want something to be true really really bad deos not make it true.
well, why would you believe it?....after all, it's agreed upon by all the American intelligence agencies, and of course, since you are a trump voter, you believe nothing but what comes out of trumps mouth...your butt buddy Putin never lies
We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.
originally posted by: Riffrafter
originally posted by: jimmyx
originally posted by: goou111
originally posted by: Kettu
Just because Guccifer 2.0 didn't give Wikileaks the emails he takes credit for hacking, doesn't mean Russia's hands are clean.
It's like using a proxy server on the internet to hide your IP address. You use a middleman to hand over the emails.
Russia ------> Guccifer 2.0 ------> shady 3rd party CIA knows works with Russian government ------> Wikileaks
You now have separation between Russia and Wikileaks.
So what if the Russian government with a Russian government email address didn't give Wikileaks the emails? They were orchestrated by Russia.
I have not seen one shred of proof that Russia is behind the hacks. Just because you want something to be true really really bad deos not make it true.
well, why would you believe it?....after all, it's agreed upon by all the American intelligence agencies, and of course, since you are a trump voter, you believe nothing but what comes out of trumps mouth...your butt buddy Putin never lies
Really?
Which agencies and more importantly which employees of those agencies is willing to come forth and say this publicly?
Yeah, I thought so...