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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ForteanOrg
Have you found an answer to the control-freak mentality of the European leadership? Because Brexit is as much about that as anything else. We did not fight Philip II, Louis XIV, Bonaparte, Kaiser Wilhelm, and Adolf Hitler, to succumb at last to a Jean-Claude Juncker.
When you hear the Albert Hall singing "Britons never, never, never, shall be slaves", you should take that as a clue to the real meaning of what happened in that referendum.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ForteanOrg
Being afraid of something that is dangerous is not a bad thing, but common sense.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
... 'unknown'...
Brussels bigwigs to make swathes of EU lawmaking SECRET from voters
Critics blasted MEPs for showing "contempt for the electorates of Europe" after they voted for the anti-democratic measure designed to hand more power to unelected bureaucrats.
During a sitting at the European Parliament today representatives rubber stamped what on the surface appears a dry technical report - but one which contains an "explosively dangerous" catch.
The Corbett Report - named after the British Labour MEP Richard Corbett who drafted it - will remove massive chunks of EU policy making from the public view.
Instead, many Brussels laws will now be decided behind closed doors in 'trilogue' talks, which take place between unelected officials at the EU Commission and European Parliament and a handful of elected MEPs.
Brexit is based on fear. Fear for other people, fear for immigrants, fear for Polish workers, black people, fear for losing "the control of our nation", fear, fear, fear. We, on the continent, have actually suffered from fascism. It may well be that the Brits still have that lesson to learn, I don't know. But I sure hope not, and this commercial is touching and gives me hope.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
But the control-freak mentality of the European leadership is not something which is unknown. We have experienced it, we have seen it in action.
The childish vindictiveness of their reaction to the Brexit referendum only serves to prove the point and vindicate the way the vote went.
Brexit is based on fear. Fear for other people, fear for immigrants, fear for Polish workers, black people, fear for losing "the control of our nation", fear, fear, fear.
originally posted by: eletheia
You know if the EU was such a successful venture, the members would be loyal and eager to stay in.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
I believe we have 28 nations in our union, none of them were forced to enter the union, all of them WANTED to be part of the EU.
The Brits actually BEGGED to get in.
Alas, soon after entering everybody simply forgets how it was before they entered the union - it soon becomes very normal to have peace, free trade, free travel, a more and more uniform legal system. And then it is taken for granted, and later still it is seen as an achievement of the nation and it is assumed that what has been achieved hence will remain.
Well, dear friends, might you really leave you will soon learn that what the UK has achieved could only be achieved because they were part of the Union. If you had not entered the EU, you would probably continued the path you already were on - a path leading to poverty. You Brits soon forget the struggles your people had with your government, how "well" you were treated by them when they were the only masters you had.. bah, humbug..
But even now the majority of the Brits voted to leave, I don't think the British government shows much eagerness to LEAVE the Union, really. Probably because it would soon become painfully clear that nothing would change for the better and you would soon be back where you were before you entered the Union. Nobody wants to see that happen. So, they want to vote on it, the judges say they can, and so they will and vote - in.
Which, all in all, would be a good thing. I'd rather have you in than out, because - in all fairness - we all would benefit from it. However, if I had to choose: live in an isolated UK or live on a united continent, I would not have a moments doubt. It's the continent then.
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
Well, dear friends, might you really leave you will soon learn that what the UK has achieved could only be achieved because they were part of the Union. If you had not entered the EU, you would probably continued the path you already were on - a path leading to poverty. You Brits soon forget the struggles your people had with your government, how "well" you were treated by them when they were the only masters you had.. bah, humbug..
Sir,
Your pages overflow with predictions of disasters brought on by the
Brexit/Trump axis.
Leaving aside the depressing and repetitive pointlessness of this mass
guess work and the underlying assumption - that things were better
when *People Like Us*were in charge - is at its best dubious, at worst
delusional.
Under *P L U* rule, we have two failed wars, and the Middle East in
flames, China expansionist, Europe enfeebled, America
ineffective and Russia resurgent.
At home we have banking crises, stagnant median incomes,
uncontrolled borders,record indebtedness, profiteering
by the "professional" classes, and general social polarisation.
This is the Utopia from which the rude and licentious electorates have
expelled us?
Face it .... We the FT readers had our decades in charge and we blew
it for everyone but us. Time for us to do what we've been telling the
rest of them to do for years - suck it up - or go forth and earn the
respect that regains power.
K.Craig.
London UK.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ForteanOrg
Have you found an answer to the control-freak mentality of the European leadership?
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: ForteanOrg
I believe we have 28 nations in our union, none of them were forced to enter the union, all of them WANTED to be part of the EU.
At least 24 of those nations are not economically healthy.... Greece is on its
knees Spain, Italy and Portugal are not too far behind. The euro is a failed
currency and project.
The Brits actually BEGGED to get in.
British PM Ted Heath didn't give the British people a referendum over joining the EU
because opinions polls in 1972 showed that the British people were hugely opposed
by a margin of 2 to 1 against joining the common market