House Passes Bill Allowing Government to Microchip Citizens with “Mental Disabilities”

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Bedlam

Oh please.

It's for our 'safety" and "security".

Right?

And it's totally voluntary. Right?

Yeah. Just like health insurance.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bedlam

home arrestees are criminals who have broken laws and therefor have sacrificed some of their rights...
by the way, they have been known to take their little ankle bracelets off I do believe??

And you haven't seen a big movement to have them put on everyone as you were proposing, I do believe??!!??11!!

starting at around page 15 or 16, there is a statement that states that the attorney general or someone will have to come up with policies regarding different things...
one of those is the use of tracking devices over the objection of the individual.. so basically they are talking about forcing someone to carry or wear, or have implanted some sort of tracking device..

Considering there are no (and reasonably can't be) implanted tracking devices, it'll have to be 'carry' or 'wear'. If the individual is bad enough off that they're conserved, then you won't need to worry about 'over the objections', because the conservator will be making all the decisions. This is the same sort of legal issue that you have to worry about when the individual is so bad off mentally that they can't handle their own finances or drive safely. The law already has provisions for taking away these abilities for demented persons. It's not like it's de novo here. Dad objected plenty when they took his license away. But he was a #ing terror by that point, and I'm surprised he didn't kill someone.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BlueAjah

This is a bad step in the wrong direction.

Supporting this type of intrusive technology, what would be the end game?

The end game is saving lives.
People with Alzheimer disease and children with autism wander and DIE.

Reminder - there is no mention of microchips in this bill.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BlueAjah

This is a bad step in the wrong direction.

Supporting this type of intrusive technology, what would be the end game?

Everyone in the US with unremovable tracking bracelets or legbands, if you're right. Only it's sort of absurd. That's what cell phones are for.

originally posted by: BlueAjah

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BlueAjah

This is a bad step in the wrong direction.

Supporting this type of intrusive technology, what would be the end game?

The end game is saving lives.
People with Alzheimer disease and children with autism wander and DIE.

Reminder - there is no mention of microchips in this bill.

They didn't mention it because it's implied.

If people want tracking devices for people with mental disabilities, then there are options.

But no law needs to be written, no politician needs to ever be involved.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

They didn't mention it because it's implied.

If you don't understand the technology, I suppose it might be.

But no law needs to be written, no politician needs to ever be involved.

The law is to facilitate a national standard being developed. No politician NEEDED to be involved in the FCC declaring a TV signal definition standard, either, but you wouldn't have got a rational standard in place without it.

a reply to: Bedlam

I just finished reading HR4919.

I need to take a shower. Just reading it made me feel dirty.

Exactly, intrusion.

a reply to: Bedlam

and what stopped dad from driving after his license was taken away...
did someone have to take the keys from him.... maybe??

will this law allow schools across the country to insist that special needs kids carry tracking devices??
what will the penalty be if the kid decides to ditch his? something which I am sure would happen sooner or later.
same with the elderly.

But, it clearly gives the Attorney General the responsibility of coming up with procedures and policies for different aspects of the program.
and one of those aspects is

(II) use of a tracking device over

the objection of an individual;

www.congress.gov...

The biggest hurdle with a sub dermal chip is a power supply. Even an iPhone is a paperweight after a week without charging. Watch battery? Yeah but watches tend not to send and receive data all day on any frequency. Even pacemakers have a battery life. Again not communicating long range.

But even I admit that the prospect of becoming functionally confused is not something I want to face. Add all the traveling I used to do as a truck driver and network installs before that and the acting...you get an old coot that could assume a character role and knows how to travel around and operate complex equipment.

Time for a blanket and some hot cocoa and not thinking about those prospects.

All I have to do is point out Obamacare.

It was "just" supposed to "help" people who didn't have insurance.

Nothing "mandated", nothing "forced by government".

That turned out just peachy.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Bedlam

and what stopped dad from driving after his license was taken away...
did someone have to take the keys from him.... maybe??

I sold his car. Tout fini.

will this law allow schools across the country to insist that special needs kids carry tracking devices??

Demonstrably, no. The bill has a distinct lack of compulsory use of such devices.

But, it clearly gives the Attorney General the responsibility of coming up with procedures and policies for different aspects of the program.
and one of those aspects is

(II) use of a tracking device over

the objection of an individual;

www.congress.gov...

As it would have to. As you do for removing the other rights of people who can no longer function at capacity. You have to do the same thing to put them in the VA nursing home, for example. You need an orderly way for people to be transitioned from fully functional adults to people with reduced capacity. You have to have court involvement and review of the person by specialists, you have to spell out what that involves. You can't just go in and willy-nilly start putting people in a SNF for Alzheimer's when they don't have it or aren't diminished to that point. But eventually, they will become so.

2 Points:

1.) Medical microchip for people may cause cancer

Leading cancer specialists reviewed the research for The Associated Press and, while cautioning that animal test results do not necessarily apply to humans, said the findings troubled them. Some said they would not allow family members to receive implants, and all urged further research before the glass-encased transponders are widely implanted in people.

Search engine on "RFID Human Implants Studies Cancer" produced no results.

2.) Is this bill conditioning us to accept this?:
Microchip in hand allows you to pay for goods in UAE

originally posted by: Ahabstar
The biggest hurdle with a sub dermal chip is a power supply.

That's one fairly insurmountable problem.

A worse one is that GPS signals are quite high frequency. And they don't penetrate skin well. Because skin is wet meat soaked in electrolytes. It both dissipates the signal and reflects it. You have to have an antenna for GPS. And that antenna is not 'nano'. And can't be, because it has to be a certain physical size to operate with any efficiency at all. And you lose a wad of the signal at every impedance step. So you lose a huge percentage of it crossing from air to skin, then in the skin it's dissipated, then another huge impedance step from skin to antenna.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
All I have to do is point out Obamacare.

All I have to do is point out the laws for 1799's or 5150's in California, although every state has the same thing.

At some point, if you're crazy enough, you can't take care of yourself, and either pose a danger to yourself, to others, or you aren't able to care for yourself. The law recognizes this can happen, and there's a structured set of steps to remove your freedoms temporarily while you're evaluated. If you're not going to get better, the state declares you incapacitated and you are appointed a conservator, who will make your life decisions for you forever more.

This is a much more applicable example, as it parallels what happens as someone's Alzheimer's becomes more pronounced. These laws work. And they don't end up applied to everyone in the state. And they've been around for quite some time, and they still aren't applied to everyone. The system works.

originally posted by: sad_eyed_lady

2.) Is this bill conditioning us to accept this?:

No. It's got nothing to do with it. ApplePay might be a better example. Go destroy your iphone immediately.

a reply to: Bedlam

maybe this is why martians had antennas sticking out of their heads???

okay, I concede... now if they'd just make the adult children of the demented elderly legally obligated to at least provide some support for the elderly parents, my brother would be very greatful since caring for our aunt is really stressing him and his wife out.

originally posted by: dawnstar

okay, I concede... now if they'd just make the adult children of the demented elderly legally obligated to at least provide some support for the elderly parents, my brother would be very greatful since caring for our aunt is really stressing him and his wife out.

Yeah, it's an issue. Worse, Mom didn't want to be the 'bad guy'. So after everyone passed the buck for a bit, I got declared his conservator and popped him in the VA home. Dad was a big guy, a former Ranger, and when he started going soft, he went through the happy feet stage and right into the aggressive and dangerous stage. You couldn't be there to stop him all the time. We would have had the money for a good SNF but the VA home we could get him into was adept at dealing with aggressive Alzheimer's vets, and was meticulously clean.

Now my next older brother and his wife are taking care of her mom, she's one of those sweetly demented little old ladies that is generally easy to take care of, but it's still a really immense strain. They need an occasional sitter to give them breaks but so far I haven't been able to convince them to do it. They do use an Alzheimer's day care though.

originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: GreyScale

can we throw in jews,gypsies and political opponents as well?

I posit the easy jump to a political dissident-- in total disregard of
race, religion, status in the community... or being Roger Waters *.
Hey wait we did that on MSM 8 years ago--- with a PhD saying
anybody who disagrees with the government's policies is legally insane.
As if I'm putting a lot of credence in the APA Document Committee
after they had to rebrand themselves before the DSM5 BwaHaHahaaa.

It'll be a bad trade when they come to puncture me with that syringe
full of microwave evil. My syringe is bigger than theirs, and much less
discriminatory. Welcome Sontag. Care for a petrol? Ketoacidosis?
PS it's really telling: address I'm typing from is 8x Fahrenheit 451.

*The Wall. Live it love it.

a reply to: GreyScale

...

Mark of the beast nuff said.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: GreyScale

Oh good God no!!! It is the first step in micro chipping everyone.

Bingo!

and before you know it, they can turn you off if you do not cooperate with the agenda by a single push of a button. I read about tech giants saying they may be able to connect the brain with technology. (Transhumanism).

It is very dangerous because these things can also become hackable, which means you become like a computer, hackable.

Look how far technology has progressed in just 100 years. it is a scary thought.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
All I have to do is point out Obamacare.

It was "just" supposed to "help" people who didn't have insurance.

Nothing "mandated", nothing "forced by government".

That turned out just peachy.

Quoting because this is the truth. It is painted with roses and butterflies but in reality it will be hell. What was that part they said about the devil masquerading as an angel of light? Kinda brings the "roses and butterflies" into a better perspective.