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"Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER"

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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:05 PM
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Maybe be best if Scotland and N Ireland just stayed part of Europe...ie, nothing changes, we still get to trade with 27 other nations we still get to share resources including Human Rights and subsides for our Farmers and partnerships in construction and countless other projects part funded by all members of the EU, Free movement of peoples and free health service and social security when abroad

England and Wales can just do what they voted for and leave and give up all of the above and much much more... I cant see that being a problem can you..Unless of course Scotland and Ireland would be better off, much much much better off financially than England and wales.........Democracy. ?




posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:08 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

What about all those Scots who want free access to England though?

Bit unfair on them to force them to move South or put up with border checks after they voted to stay British.

But then, ignoring the majority in referendums seems to be how it's all done by the left these days.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: SprocketUK




I'd be all for an English referendum right now, but it wouldn't be fair on the majority of a scots and Northern Irish who want to remain in the UK


and the will of both Northern Island and Scotland was to remain in the EU. There was no exit plan. These are important issues that need to considered. If you want democracy lets have it.!

The easiest thing to do is have England leave the United Kingdom.


Again, we voted to leave as one nation, just as we go to war or make peace as one nation.

Why did the gov not have a plan?
Because they were absolutely certain that all the talk of ww3, tsunamis and meteors would make the electorate vote for the status quo.

Voted leave weren't the government, just one of the groups campaigning to leave the EU, nothing more



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:33 PM
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Never had a plan, still not got a plan, and never will have a plan. 27 nations are not even conversing with the UK, The pound on it's arse, 1.8 trillion of debt and growing by the day and absolutely #ing clueless on how to fix it... Best we all part ways before Westminsters blind ignorance and stupidity drags us all into the gutter.


And as for your statement we go to war together...Very soon we'll be going to war against China and Russian, Iran and a few others....You batter in, because i'm staying well clear of it.

PS, You call it War, I call it what it is or has been for centuries..Ilegal invasion of soveriegn countries and mass murder of innocents for profit.
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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Solo, I wasn't advocating any war at all.
Merely reiterating that some decisions are made at a UK level, others are devolved, this was a UK one.

As for still not having a plan, the vast majority of those already on the gravy train don't want to get off, they never do.

And what does it say for the contempt that the EU rulers hold the people in, that they are so snarky about us leaving that they would risk having WTO tarriffs applied to their goods in order to prove some silly point?



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer

and the will of both Northern Island and Scotland was to remain in the EU. There was no exit plan. These are important issues that need to considered. If you want democracy lets have it.!



Of course there was no plan ......

They were so far out of touch with the *people* that they couldn't

see it coming.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 05:00 PM
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England knows that if it leaves the EU. That Scotland will go for indepedance.


The polls I have looked at say the opposite. Presumably you are aware that devolved governments don't have the power to call for independence referendums, they need the UK governments permission. Theresa May has already dismissed Sturgeon's call for another one.




When the facts of the matter are two nations Northern Island and Scotland want to remain. If we where forced to leave it would be a utter failure of democracy.

Can you please explain how the referendum is a total democratic fail? Remember we did not have 4 mini-referendums. Scotland is not a member of the EU, England is not a member of the EU. The UK is the EU member.

As it stands currently, neither Scotland nor Northern Ireland as potential independent states meet the criteria for EU membership application.



These issues need to be addressed or else it is the collapse of the UK.


Seriously, ATS is above post-truth twaddle. Feelings are not facts. Please enlighten us on how the UK will collapse.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 05:16 PM
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originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Maybe be best if Scotland and N Ireland just stayed part of Europe...ie, nothing changes, we still get to trade with 27 other nations we still get to share resources including Human Rights and subsides for our Farmers and partnerships in construction and countless other projects part funded by all members of the EU, Free movement of peoples and free health service and social security when abroad


And dont forget the exorbitent fee just to be a member!!


Lol!! you still get to trade with 27 other nations?....like Greece which is facing

economic uncertainty and conflict with creditors, and others with less than

buoyant economies?




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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 05:58 PM
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originally posted by: Konduit
What's frightening about all this is that the left wouldn't hesitate to overturn democratic elections if they had the power to do so. I can see why Socialism has such an appeal to them.


They don't hesitate, they just don't always get away with it.

Why does treason never prosper? Because if it prospers, none dare call it treason.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 03:16 AM
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I'm mostly an anarchist but it's surprised me how many people who proclaim to be are happy to have an overarching continental state apparatus responsible for decision making when the goal should be to devolve power wherever it exists, not prop it up.

The actions of the left as a whole of late has been authoritarian and incredibly childish. I'm sick of them tbh.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 03:20 AM
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originally posted by: SprocketUK
a reply to: Soloprotocol

What about all those Scots who want free access to England though?

Bit unfair on them to force them to move South or put up with border checks after they voted to stay British.

But then, ignoring the majority in referendums seems to be how it's all done by the left these days.


There wouldn't be any border checks for people of the UK. There are no border checks when people drive or walk to and from N. Ireland to southern Ireland, if there was, it would be ridiculous for people living and working on the borders and it's most likely going to stay like that if Brexit ever happens. So a similar system would be adopted for in the England / Scotland scenario.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 05:34 AM
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If Scotland secedes and joins the EU and signs up to free movement there will have to be else it'll be impossible to control our border.

NI ane Eire is a different thing because the government of the Republic have proposed their own methods for ensuring that doesn't happen.



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: SprocketUK

*Nicola Sturgeon's hopes of keeping Scotland in the EU - hit by

Francois Hollande and Spanish PM Rajoy*



Mariano Rajoy said at a news conference, following a meeting in

Brussels, that the Scottish Government *does not have the

competence to negotiate with the European Union,
he

concluded if the UK leaves .... Scotland leaves too*

He was echoed by the French President Mr Holande.

www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: eletheia

We've known that for ages. No way the Spaniards would entertain a breakaway region of another country as it would feed the Basque fire.



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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The last chance to save the EU and the UK is not now. It was in 2001. Now it's waaaaay too late for that!



posted on Jan, 20 2017 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: Flanker86
The last chance to save the EU and the UK is not now. It was in 2001. Now it's waaaaay too late for that!

The EU is collapsing; they can't prop up their insolvent banks forever. The UK would be smart to leave as quickly & cleanly as possible, because in all likelihood you're going to a see a scenario where the last one out has to pay the tab.



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