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"Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER"

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

The future of this great nation ..shall be .. decided by ...
a significantlyish number of people,
gathered together,
solemnly,

to decide in the name of the majority

and that's where we are
......



Is that, like, .. néo-democracy or sum#
..




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: corblimeyguvnor
Really? I hadn't seen that one thrown around.
Headline = Labour MP claims it's 'highly probable' Russia interfered with Brexit referendum
The Independant
One of many if you search


I saw that yesterday ..... Lol!! seems Russia has been very busy ....

# Ukraine, # Syria, # Helping Donald Trump become POTUS, and now

responsible for # Brexit ..... What next


Tony Blair is posturing and placing himself into a position to scupper Brexit -

If he can.

Suppose he's still after that EU job of President, which he didn't manage to

secure first time around.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Ohanka

So, a similar tactic is being used in the UK that is currently being deployed here in the U.S. concerning our presidential election.

Glad to know it's not just America's sore losers who are acting like babies.



Liberals/Progressives are the same the world over - fascists by another name.
edit on 14/12/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Maxatoria
All this farting around really just needs to be settled and we get on with it...the Americans seemed to of done alright (generally) after leaving the empire so we just the same train of thought.


Most of us "Americans" were British citizens at the time and had no desire to leave at all. A small group of what we now call "patriots" dispensed with any sort of people's referendum and started a war that the British ultimately decided was not worth their time because they had more important issues at hand, including defending Empire against a host of stronger enemies, especially the French, and dissent at home. But because a small group of enthusiastic people had a vision for their "freedom" the rest of us were forced to go along with it. We didn't get to vote. A very few of us did an anti-Trump and moved to Canada.

It strikes me that many of these "But the majority voted" types of movements are really on very shaky ground. What was Brexit? 52-48? And how did that come about? Because of a deceptive advertising campaign that relied on somewhat questionable "facts" along with an appeal to patriotic emotion and xenophobia to get a great many LIV (Low Information Voters) to vent their frustrations by blaming all their problems on the EU, whether the EU was actually the cause of the issues or not. Brexit isn't the only such movement. Here we have Texas and California, and on my own small island, population 22,000, we have a small group of people, perhaps a dozen, who think "we" could run our own electrical grid better than the company with millions of customers can. And how close was the Scotland vote again?

The commonality between all these movements worldwide, and, indeed, all the elections nearly everywhere, is that a very small majority "wins" and a very large minority "loses," sometimes by less than a single percentage point--like Hillary, though she got the "majority," but lost, but let's not talk about that weirdness this time. The result of these elections is that based on the very slimmest of victory margins, one group gets to make irrevocable decisions affecting the lives of everyone. These are not landslide victories. These are not overwhelming mandates reflecting the "will of the people." These are skillfully crafted victories made possible by clever advertising.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting for what is for lunch. Justice is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I don't take much credence in these "majority rules" kinds of pronouncements when the vote is so close. You may have "won," but it is because of Mob Rule.


Very observant my man. Let's just think Bbbboris, who made one newspaper column for a leave victory, and another for remain, a perpetrator of the £350 million a week myth and the anti-immigrant stance, currently Secretary of State for the..erstwhile UK. Did I say erstwhile, yes I did, because the irony is the UK was solid while in the EU, now that is no longer.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: smurfy

Thing is Theresa is going to make the Brits pay big time for leaving the EU...and she's the British Prime Minister.




In that case she will go the same way as David Cameron .... Balls in her court

the British people have spoken.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:39 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth



Liberals/Progressives are the same the world over - fascists by another name.


Fascist=authoritarian nationalism=Nazi. Going by that..you are fecked one way or the other.

edit on 14-12-2016 by smurfy because: Text.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: smurfy

Thing is Theresa is going to make the Brits pay big time for leaving the EU...and she's the British Prime Minister.




In that case she will go the same way as David Cameron .... Balls in her court

the British people have spoken.


She's done it, and I haven't heard a murmur. The thing is, (had you also included the few items I mentioned) they were all things that she had been against.
Lesson, you can watch a thief, it's not so easy to watch a liar.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 05:53 PM
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What's frightening about all this is that the left wouldn't hesitate to overturn democratic elections if they had the power to do so. I can see why Socialism has such an appeal to them.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 07:39 PM
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originally posted by: Konduit
What's frightening about all this is that the left wouldn't hesitate to overturn democratic elections if they had the power to do so. I can see why Socialism has such an appeal to them.

WTF are you talking about, it's not a lefty righty issue. It is however about good information, versus bad information from politcal sources and what those sources intended.
Was, for instance UKIP a good source or a bad source?



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 07:59 AM
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For heaven's sake, what on earth does this have to do with the Left vs Right?

Nothing at all.

The Labour party have said they have no intention of overturning the results of the referendum, and they are the party of the left.



But hey, how's that £350 million pounds extra a week to spend on the NHS looking? Oh wait, that was a bare faced lie wasn't it.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Painterz
But hey, how's that £350 million pounds extra a week to spend on the NHS looking? Oh wait, that was a bare faced lie wasn't it.



My take on that is whatever the sum of money be it £350, or £3,500 ....

It is far, far better in our pockets to spend in the way we feel fit than to

be told what and where we can spend it!

The EU is a money guzzling club of fat cats which we do not need to belong to.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:45 AM
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There are no depths to which the frightened slave minds of the left won't sink in order to appease their masters.

I think it's a tragedy that there are so many ill informed yet politically active fifth columnists in Western society these days.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:29 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka




Yeah well that's democracy for you. 17 million of us voted to leave, myself included. 52% beats 48% in a nationwide referendum in my book.


Not exactly correct...
There was more than one nation involved in the voting. Scotland voted to stay. Maybe the best thing that could happen would be that England leave the Untied Kingdom and we stay in Europe. That would be democracy for you.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:39 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Ohanka




Yeah well that's democracy for you. 17 million of us voted to leave, myself included. 52% beats 48% in a nationwide referendum in my book.


Not exactly correct...
There was more than one nation involved in the voting. Scotland voted to stay. Maybe the best thing that could happen would be that England leave the Untied Kingdom and we stay in Europe. That would be democracy for you.



Scots were fine with it being a national vote when it looked like remain would win.

We entered the Common Market as the UKofGB&NI it is natural that we should vote whether to leave as the same entity that entered.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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Not exactly correct...
There was more than one nation involved in the voting. Scotland voted to stay. Maybe the best thing that could happen would be that England leave the Untied Kingdom and we stay in Europe. That would be democracy for you.


Sorry but this is rubbish. We went into the EEC as a whole ie the UK. We voted as a whole and the majority voted to leave the EU (the biggest political mandate in UK history). If devolved governments want to join the EU, they need to gain independence from the UK and then apply for EU membership on their own merit (not off the back of the UK).


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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:57 PM
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Sorry but this is rubbish. We went into the EEC as a whole ie the UK. We voted as a whole and the majority voted to leave the EU (the biggest political mandate in UK history). If devolved governments want to join the EU, they need to gain independence from the UK and then apply for EU membership on their own merit (not off the back of the UK).


By calling it rubbish you are denying the process of democracy and removing a voice from a nation. It is not rubbish Scotland voted remain.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: Morrad




Sorry but this is rubbish. We went into the EEC as a whole ie the UK. We voted as a whole and the majority voted to leave the EU (the biggest political mandate in UK history). If devolved governments want to join the EU, they need to gain independence from the UK and then apply for EU membership on their own merit (not off the back of the UK).


By calling it rubbish you are denying the process of democracy and removing a voice from a nation. It is not rubbish Scotland voted remain.


He's rubbishing your attempt to re write the methodology of the referendum after the fact.

I'd be all for an English referendum right now, but it wouldn't be fair on the majority of a scots and Northern Irish who want to remain in the UK.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: SprocketUK




I'd be all for an English referendum right now, but it wouldn't be fair on the majority of a scots and Northern Irish who want to remain in the UK


and the will of both Northern Island and Scotland was to remain in the EU. There was no exit plan. These are important issues that need to considered. If you want democracy lets have it.!

The easiest thing to do is have England leave the United Kingdom.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 03:25 PM
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a reply to: purplemer

You keep mentioning democracy and yet you cannot even see how hypocritical you are.

The majority of UK citizens voted on June 23rd to leave the EU with 68% now wanting to crack on with Brexit. This result makes it patently obvious that the majority, quite rightly, place democratic process above their own personal preference. You are attempting to cherry-pick and subvert democratic process which makes you anti-democratic.

As to England leaving the UK, you are making yourself look truly ignorant.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 03:52 PM
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The Leave group did not have the nous to create an exit plan. If it had been thought about these isssues could have been ironed out. As it stands there is no demcoracy on the issue which ever way you turn. England knows that if it leaves the EU. That Scotland will go for indepedance. This is not something the UK wants. So i guess they are in between a rock and a hard stone.


and i repeat.

Dont you dare harp on about democracy. When the facts of the matter are two nations Northern Island and Scotland want to remain. If we where forced to leave it would be a utter failure of democracy.

There is nothing democratic if these nations have to leave. These issues need to be addressed or else it is the collapse of the UK.



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