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"Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER"

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:30 PM
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So I came across this interesting page from an ATS ad, which had the headline "Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER"

Here's a link

It's on a website called Crowd Crusader, which after a brief glance appears to be a way to raise funds through crowdfunding to address social issues and consumer issues in the UK. I have no problem with this, Indeed I think the concept has merits. I don't agree with their definition of "social issues" but that's what public debate is for.

They oppose TTIP, want to stop corporate tax evasion and all that good stuff. Their main issue seems to be smoke free entrances for shopping centres for reasons better known to themselves but whatever.

Link to Crowd Crusader's twitter.

However, what I do have issue with is what is contained within the first link I gave, Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER.

Lets take a closer look, shall we?



Following 23 rd June’s tragic referendum result the UK has seemed doomed to suffer the devastating consequences of a Hard Brexit from the EU. 16 million UK citizens have been left frustrated by the insanity of the situation and without a voice in the negotiations that will determine the future for our generation and posterity.


Yeah well that's democracy for you. 17 million of us voted to leave, myself included. 52% beats 48% in a nationwide referendum in my book.



Now however our brave and robust Judiciary has given us a glimmer of hope by striking down an illegal and dictatorial process and bestowing power upon our Sovereign Parliament.


Erm, what? The majority of us voted to leave in the referendum, the government would just be enforcing the will of the people. From where I'm sitting this would appear to be remainers trying to subvert the will of the people as expressed in the nationwide referendum.



Despite this Prime Minister Theresa May and her cabinet seem hell bent on plunging us as rapidly as possibly into the darkness of the Brexit abyss. We must act urgently to prevent this by campaigning powerfully in order to empower our MP’s to stand up against Downing Street’s madness and prevent this catastrophe. Seize this moment to unite and campaign to save our nation.


Nice hyperbole. For the record our media was full of anti-independence fearmongering before the vote, we knew exactly what we would be in for, if a "hard brexit" was to be the outcome.

Lets skip over their ridiculous campaign targets and go straight to the desired outcomes of this weird scheme.



Stop Article 50 from being triggered prematurely, before a comprehensive debate by Parliament and a guarantee from the Government that the UK will remain in the single market


I could've sworn that we already had a nationwide public debate for almost a decade before the vote. I fail to see why Parliament needs to debate and vote on something that has already been decided by the people of this country. If that is the legal process, then so be it, but if the result is anything other than leave, like the referendum, then some serious shenanigans have been going on.

In addition I maintain my belief that "remaining in the single market but outside the EU" is actually WORSE than being in the EU proper. Since that way the UK still has to comply with the EU's ridiculous regulations and laws, but no longer has any influence or control over them.

I am of the opinion that this campaign is little more than a trojan horse by hardcore remainers to ensure that the UK de-facto remains part of the EU while seemingly leaving it. An undesirable outcome to say the least in my opinion.

This is just the latest in a long line of remainer whining. We have had to endure a petition for another referendum, legal attempts to stop brexit, threats from the EU, and protests in the streets against the democratic process.

I personally am sick to death of remainers who cannot accept their loss. We, as a country, voted to leave the European Union, and now they are attempting to sabotage the actual path to leaving at every stage in blatant defiance of the will of the people of the United Kingdom. It just backfires in their face since it shows the utter contempt that Pro-EU elements have for democracy, which isn't surprising considering how opposed to democracy the EU as an organisation is.

This is somewhat of a tangent, but I am extremely curious as to why some people who claim to be left wing support the European Union? The European Union is the ultimate friend of big business, banks, multinational corporations and one of the strongest champions of globalisation. It is the enemy of the working and middle class.

Now, as a lifelong socialist, I see an organisation that is an enemy of working and middle class, and a champion of big business, banks, multinational corporations and other such nonsense to be my enemy. It seems like it would be common sense for the left wing to oppose such an organisation. I must not have read the latest party memo or something.

I never thought I'd live to see the day when I would be reluctantly forced to side with the likes of the Conservative Party, UKIP, Donald Trump and Marie Le Penn simply because they are the ones in opposition to the corporate establishment. 2016 is a crazy year.

In closing I want to say how ridiculous the campaign itself is.



Campaign Medium Online Banner Reach a wide internet audience using the most cost effective medium through image and text banner marketing on social media platforms and relevant websites. Billboards Primary Campaign outdoors by using billboards and advertisement hoardings to reach the Crowd in public areas and while on move.


Basically their plan is to raise money to buy a load of billboards in London. You can see details on the site itself This doesn't make any sense, since London was one of the strongest "remain" outposts. They would literally just be preaching their anti-democratic message the choir. If they want to convince people of the nobility of their "crusade" then surely they should buy billboards in areas that voted to leave?

The campaign started on the 1st November, and 45 days later has raised only £755 of their stated £5,000 minimum target with only 288 backers. The target has to be reached by Christmas Eve or it won't go through. Which thankfully seems almost guaranteed.

But just for fun, lets take a look at their comments section.



“There were also some suspicions that postal votes were manipulated in favour of the remoaners. The actual Brexit victory was probably a landslide. You lost, Brexit won, the globalist/satanists are on the run. Ask Soros for money. You'll probably get it”




“This is hilarious! I've had a streaming cold for the last few days and this has given me just the lift I needed! Your use of emotive language - words like "tragic" and "devastating", and referring to our Judiciary (capital J!) as "brave and robust" - are as good as any nineteen-thirties comedian's pratfalls, and the fact that you want to raise enough for one - one! - billboard in a location where the majority already oppose Brexit - hold on ... are you actually trying to divert funding from the real Remain campaign? GENIUS!”

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:31 PM
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To conclude, the campaign sucks, the remainers' behaviour has been deplorable and I hope Theresa May doesn't cave to the likes of these people.


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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER.

Why does anyone think they have the right to take away what the people voted for? Are they basically admitting that they only let us vote when they can control the outcomes?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:34 PM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Ohanka

Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER.

Why does anyone think they have the right to take away what the people voted for? Are they basically admitting that they only let us vote when they can control the outcomes?



That is a very good question, isn't it? Seems to be a recurring theme in the Western World these days.




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:43 PM
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Some more interesting information in light of this:



Strategic Media Partner: JCDecaux Crowd Crusader is proud to partner with JCDecaux (the UK’s largest outdoor advertisement agency) for the creation and execution of all billboard CrowdAction campaigns. As a member of JCDecaux’s ‘nurture programme’ this crowdfunding campaign will not face any billboard creation, setup or operational costs and all funds available will be deployed towards media buying and maximising the reach of the advertisements.




JCDecaux Group (JCDecaux SA, French pronunciation: ​[ʒisedəˈko]) is a multinational corporation based in Neuilly-sur-Seine, near Paris, France, known for its bus-stop advertising systems, billboards, public bicycle rental systems, and street furniture.


hmm.....

Why am I not surprised?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 01:47 PM
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The thing is most politicians know which side their breads buttered, they know if their constituents votes to leave and they voted remain they'll be out of a job next election time as theres no way the other parties will let such a thing slide.

All this farting around really just needs to be settled and we get on with it...the Americans seemed to of done alright (generally) after leaving the empire so we just the same train of thought.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

If this DAILY BS keeps going, as it has and seems destined to do, the only possible outcome i can see is a re-run of the referendum, and that won't be the first time in EU history either, they keep on going until they get the correct (for them) result.

I voted leave for my own reasons, not for or due to the BS debates on TV just prior to the vote.

It stinks, and i can see enough people being swayed into thinking a 2nd referendum would be the correct choice.

NOOOOOOOOOOO



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
To conclude, the campaign sucks, the remainers' behaviour has been deplorable and I hope Theresa May doesn't cave to the likes of these people.
Concur!



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:07 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

"Now, as a lifelong socialist, I see an organisation that is an enemy of working and middle class, and a champion of big business, banks, multinational corporations and other such nonsense to be my enemy. It seems like it would be common sense for the left wing to oppose such an organisation. I must not have read the latest party memo or something. "

Yes, you certainly don't quite get it! The EU is all about ending "nationalism", national soveriegnty and paving the way for a globalized economy and a world without borders! The interests of the so-called working and middle clases in Western countries are to be beggared such that their level of wealth drops to the point of the residents of the 3rd world countries, all the while 3rd worlders are feely imported into each EU country to destroy national identity and culture.

Where you been living, under a rock? As a self-described "socialist" you really need to get on board with the "International". The NWO types that oppose Brexit are more akin to a combination of Stalinism, (round up the land owning Kulaks and seend them to the labor camps) and the Corporatist Fascists intent on enriching the multi-national corporations. They "hate" "the People" and are intent on reducing them to state dependency to better control them and to shut them up!

In the couse of their progress, the NWO types are quite clearly dismissive of "democracy" because even if a majority of voters voted for Brexit, it doesn't matter because its quite obvious that a majority of the voters are just plain stupid! The elites know better and its their opinion that should count!



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

So, a similar tactic is being used in the UK that is currently being deployed here in the U.S. concerning our presidential election.

Glad to know it's not just America's sore losers who are acting like babies.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: TonyS

That's why they are Elite i suppose ........... Elite at what though, i am hoping your comment was laden with sarcasm (i picked it up that way)



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Ohanka

So, a similar tactic is being used in the UK that is currently being deployed here in the U.S. concerning our presidential election.

Glad to know it's not just America's sore losers who are acting like babies.



Same excuses being used as well TBQH .......... Russian Hacking, i'm not making it up

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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originally posted by: Maxatoria
All this farting around really just needs to be settled and we get on with it...the Americans seemed to of done alright (generally) after leaving the empire so we just the same train of thought.


Most of us "Americans" were British citizens at the time and had no desire to leave at all. A small group of what we now call "patriots" dispensed with any sort of people's referendum and started a war that the British ultimately decided was not worth their time because they had more important issues at hand, including defending Empire against a host of stronger enemies, especially the French, and dissent at home. But because a small group of enthusiastic people had a vision for their "freedom" the rest of us were forced to go along with it. We didn't get to vote. A very few of us did an anti-Trump and moved to Canada.

It strikes me that many of these "But the majority voted" types of movements are really on very shaky ground. What was Brexit? 52-48? And how did that come about? Because of a deceptive advertising campaign that relied on somewhat questionable "facts" along with an appeal to patriotic emotion and xenophobia to get a great many LIV (Low Information Voters) to vent their frustrations by blaming all their problems on the EU, whether the EU was actually the cause of the issues or not. Brexit isn't the only such movement. Here we have Texas and California, and on my own small island, population 22,000, we have a small group of people, perhaps a dozen, who think "we" could run our own electrical grid better than the company with millions of customers can. And how close was the Scotland vote again?

The commonality between all these movements worldwide, and, indeed, all the elections nearly everywhere, is that a very small majority "wins" and a very large minority "loses," sometimes by less than a single percentage point--like Hillary, though she got the "majority," but lost, but let's not talk about that weirdness this time. The result of these elections is that based on the very slimmest of victory margins, one group gets to make irrevocable decisions affecting the lives of everyone. These are not landslide victories. These are not overwhelming mandates reflecting the "will of the people." These are skillfully crafted victories made possible by clever advertising.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting for what is for lunch. Justice is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I don't take much credence in these "majority rules" kinds of pronouncements when the vote is so close. You may have "won," but it is because of Mob Rule.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Really? I hadn't seen that one thrown around.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

The U.K. already saved itself from disaster thanks to their Brexit vote. It was probably the last chance to save them from the Authoritarian rule of Brussels. Good on you Brits for taking back your sovereignty.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Really? I hadn't seen that one thrown around.


Headline = Labour MP claims it's 'highly probable' Russia interfered with Brexit referendum

The Independant

One of many if you search




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: schuyler

Churchill summed it up:
"democracy is the worst form of Government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time. "

Fact is it is the the best we got. No ones come up with a better idea yet.

We had a vote, leave one.

If one wants a plutocracy they can live in the EU
If they want a dictatorship the North Korea.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: corblimeyguvnor

Thanks for sharing this.

Should've known it'd be a Blairite



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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originally posted by: Maxatoria
The thing is most politicians know which side their breads buttered, they know if their constituents votes to leave and they voted remain they'll be out of a job next election time as theres no way the other parties will let such a thing slide.


You seem to be assuming that all politicians were remainers, however it is true a good deal of them are, and it's not the comfortable party thing either. 186 cons and 216 labour MP's voted remain, 135 cons 10 labour, to leave.

Voter stats, 47 million registered eligible to vote, around 34 million used the vote, while around 13million didn't.
16million millennials by the marker were unable to vote, while the slightly older mostly voted remain, the pre millennium dark area probably would have had around 1 million would be voters with perhaps two thirds to three quarters also voting to remain. Bringing forward the referendum date changed that scenario.
So, basically it was the old/older farts that made the difference, and you could say their age range pretty much matching the parliamentary age range.
I wonder how the old farts now feel about the now go-ahead for a new runway at Heathrow...that was a big no-no, as was the dealings with the Saudis. And what about the biggest car park in Europe..Hinkley Point, it's going ahead now too, even though it will cost X billions, X being the operative jargon.
Thing is Theresa is going to make the Brits pay big time for leaving the EU...and she's the British Prime Minister.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Ohanka

Our Last Chance to Save the UK and EU from BREXIT DISASTER.

Why does anyone think they have the right to take away what the people voted for? Are they basically admitting that they only let us vote when they can control the outcomes?



Because the Russians did it. I kid you not, that narrative is now gathering pace in the UK.




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