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Ambassador Craig Murray: “I’ve met the person who leaked them [Podesta emails], not Russian

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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

"Red scare" falls flat. The risk to investing in foreign nations is when they decide to nationalize foreign investments.

Today, and tomorrow, China is not able to wage war on us. Next month? Maybe. But even then....

What, exactly, would they do about it if all these holdings were just simply seized and auctioned off? The liability is on a ledger only. In reality....the liability is simply something that is tolerated.




posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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If Murray sayS the person providing the leaked info on the DNC was upset about DNC screwing Bernie...and was an individual with "legal (and official) access" to the material...it would point to someone inside the DNC itself.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: SoulSurfer
Just the latest on the Russian "hacking" story



Craig Murray, Britain’s former ambassador to Russia and a close friend of Julian Assange, has now confirmed that he knows the identity of the person who leaked the DNC and Podesta leaks to Wikileaks, and that this person is not Russian and has no connection to the Russian government.
On the contrary, he is a Washington insider.


First red flag...

* He was a British Ambassador to Uzbekistan for less than 2 years, 15 years ago and was fired for all types of crazy stuff...like..


These included "hiring dolly birds [pretty young women] for above the usual rate" for the visa department, although Murray said that the department had an all-male staff, and Murray was accused of granting British visas to Uzbek women in exchange for sex in his office.

en.wikipedia.org...

NOT Russian Ambassador...why is the article BSing right out of the gate.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:08 AM
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The CIA refused to turn up for a House Intelligence Committee briefing on the alleged Russian influence. They were too busy.


www.foxnews.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: UKTruth
Yeah I posted on the page before this...also added video of Nancy Pelosi's daughter losing it on Fox last night.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

SECOND red flag...

He said in November to Sputnik he "discovered who leaked the documents to Wikileaks while attending the Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That award was given in September...LONG AFTER the leaks began
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He made no mention of having received the material when he told that to Sputnik.

THIRD RED FLAG

Did he possibly travel to the USA earlier that year and receive a package in DC?

NO...He was on the US no fly list and was working to get a Visa approval..

US Denies Entry To Former British Ambassador Who Was Set To Present Whistleblower Award
www.mintpressnews.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: UKTruth
Yeah I posted on the page before this...also added video of Nancy Pelosi's daughter losing it on Fox last night.



That Pelosi witch was hilarious. She had no answer when challenged on the desired outcome of her request.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Indigo5
#1 Red Flag
The CIA won't even talk to the oversight committee...which tells me they found nothing in their investigation.
See UKTruth's post for link...



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: SoulSurfer

SECOND red flag...

He said in November to Sputnik he "discovered who leaked the documents to Wikileaks while attending the Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That award was given in September...LONG AFTER the leaks began
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He made no mention of having received the material when he told that to Sputnik.



Re-writing history and propagating fake news is not going to work. The accusations about Russian hacking surfaced well before September and claims were even made by Hillary's campaign team to that effect.


edit on 15/12/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: SoulSurfer

SECOND red flag...

He said in November to Sputnik he "discovered who leaked the documents to Wikileaks while attending the Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That award was given in September...LONG AFTER the leaks began
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He made no mention of having received the material when he told that to Sputnik.



Re-writing history and propagating fake news is not going to work. The accusations about Russian hacking surfaced well before September and claims were even made by Hillary's campaign team to that effect.



You are confused??

Yes the hacking happened in early spring...

The leaks began in Friday 22 July 2016 (according to wikileaks itself)
https://__._/dnc-emails/

...Craig Murray claimed to receive the package while attending a conference in DC called "Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That conference was in September...two months after Wikileaks released the Leak..
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He was unable to be in the USA earlier because his Visa had issues...according to him..
US Denies Entry To Former British Ambassador Who Was Set To Present Whistleblower Award
www.mintpressnews.com...

My sources are this guy himself...

His story is BS...
The timing doesn't match up...the guy is BSing...
edit on 15-12-2016 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:04 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5
So I guess like everything else with this election...there seem to be sides. Do you believe the FBI or the CIA? The CIA isn't talking sooooo to me they lose all credibility.


FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:09 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
The CIA refused to turn up for a House Intelligence Committee briefing on the alleged Russian influence. They were too busy.


www.foxnews.com...



Considering that the GOP congressman throwing their tantrum are potentially compromised by Russian Intelligence I understand the CIA looking to complete the investigation before laying all their cards on the table.



“Once the review is complete in the coming weeks, the Intelligence Community stands ready to brief Congress—and will make those findings available to the public consistent with protecting intelligence sources and methods. We will not offer any comment until the review is complete,” the statement said.

www.foxnews.com...



Russian hackers breached accounts of GOP individuals and organizations prior to the election -- including GOP House members

www.cnn.com...

Good on the CIA....Can't wait for the full report!



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:18 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: SoulSurfer

SECOND red flag...

He said in November to Sputnik he "discovered who leaked the documents to Wikileaks while attending the Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That award was given in September...LONG AFTER the leaks began
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He made no mention of having received the material when he told that to Sputnik.



Re-writing history and propagating fake news is not going to work. The accusations about Russian hacking surfaced well before September and claims were even made by Hillary's campaign team to that effect.



You are confused??

Yes the hacking happened in early spring...

The leaks began in Friday 22 July 2016 (according to wikileaks itself)
https://__._/dnc-emails/

...Craig Murray claimed to receive the package while attending a conference in DC called "Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That conference was in September...two months after Wikileaks released the Leak..
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He was unable to be in the USA earlier because his Visa had issues...according to him..
US Denies Entry To Former British Ambassador Who Was Set To Present Whistleblower Award
www.mintpressnews.com...

My sources are this guy himself...

His story is BS...
The timing doesn't match up...the guy is BSing...

The first wikileaks data was published on 22nd July. That is not when the leaks happened and there is not as yet any conclusive proof that they were hacks as opposed to leaks.
Murray also does not say he received the leaked information in September. He said he discovered who the source was in September.

I would strongly suggest you stop posting fake news as it helps no-one.


edit on 15/12/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:26 PM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Indigo5
So I guess like everything else with this election...there seem to be sides. Do you believe the FBI or the CIA? The CIA isn't talking sooooo to me they lose all credibility.


FBI and CIA give differing accounts to lawmakers on Russia’s motives in 2016 hacks


It is not sides...when I use links from the OP source himself and statements he has made previously and his travel schedule etc that fully contradict reality...and time and space itself.

As to your question...who do I believe FBI or CIA? BOTH...BOTH have indisputably said it was Russia...the CIA is leaning on sources and assets that they now claim they have directly traced to Putin himself...The FBI doesn't have access to those sources, so while they also agree it was Russia...they can't by "Prosecutorial" standards say their is evidence that Russia was "intending" to harm Clinton with the leaks vs. just erode confidence in the US elections.

Flashback to 2011...Putin had an election which gave him a 3rd term...There was MASSIVE protests in Russia...led by 3 opposition members...

One famously got shot on the kremlin bridge (The security video)

The two other got long sentences in Russian Prison camps...Funny..one guy was arrested for Jay-Walking and the other for leaving a hospital without doctors permission after being beaten by police.

But more to the point...Hillary made a statement calling the Russian elections a fraud and it seriously POed Putin...cuz he was dealing with minimum of several hundred thousand protestors in multiple cities...

This is Putin in 2011...notice his wording...

2011: Vladimir Putin accuses Hillary Clinton of encouraging Russian protests


Speaking to supporters on Thursday, Putin accused Clinton of giving "the signal" to opposition leaders, who are expected to gather with tens of thousands of supporters for a protest on Saturday.

"[Opposition leaders] heard the signal and with the support of the US state department began active work," Putin said


"No one wants chaos," Putin said, adding that most Russians did not want a repeat of the overthrowing of governments in nearby Kyrgyzstan and Ukraine.

Putin has often accused the west of meddling in Russian affairs, a tested tactic to deflect attention away from the country's problems.

"We are required to protect our sovereignty," he said.

"We will have to think about strengthening the law and holding more responsible those who carry out the task of a foreign government to influence internal political processes."

www.theguardian.com...

Mind you THAT is an article from 2011!

He sent two of the opposition leaders to Prison camps (jaywalking and leaving a hospital without permission)...they are still in those prisons...He had the 3rd protest leader whacked in front of the Kremlin on video for the world to see.

He couldn't have Clinton whacked for her remarks...but "holding more responsible those who carry out the task of a foreign government to influence internal political processes."????

Yes...this was payback.
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posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

What travel schedule? Murray did not say he picked up the leaked documents in September, he just said he learned who the source was when he was in Washington in September.

Your whole theory on timings is based on a falsehood.

..plus, neither the CIA nor the FBI have produced any evidence at all that the Kremlin was involved in any DNC hack or the Podesta hack or indeed any election hack.
edit on 15/12/2016 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: Martin75
a reply to: Indigo5
#1 Red Flag
The CIA won't even talk to the oversight committee...which tells me they found nothing in their investigation.
See UKTruth's post for link...


...and they don't want to risk lying under oath.




posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5

The Podesta emails came up on wikileaks in October.




posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Indigo5

The Podesta emails came up on wikileaks in October.



The whole timing argument being put forward is completely false anyway. Murray said he found out the source in September in Washington, nothing more. His timeline is credible.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Indigo5
a reply to: SoulSurfer

SECOND red flag...

He said in November to Sputnik he "discovered who leaked the documents to Wikileaks while attending the Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That award was given in September...LONG AFTER the leaks began
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He made no mention of having received the material when he told that to Sputnik.



Re-writing history and propagating fake news is not going to work. The accusations about Russian hacking surfaced well before September and claims were even made by Hillary's campaign team to that effect.



You are confused??

Yes the hacking happened in early spring...

The leaks began in Friday 22 July 2016 (according to wikileaks itself)
https://__._/dnc-emails/

...Craig Murray claimed to receive the package while attending a conference in DC called "Sam Adams Whistle Blower Awards in DC"

That conference was in September...two months after Wikileaks released the Leak..
www.johnkiriakou.com...

He was unable to be in the USA earlier because his Visa had issues...according to him..
US Denies Entry To Former British Ambassador Who Was Set To Present Whistleblower Award
www.mintpressnews.com...

My sources are this guy himself...

His story is BS...
The timing doesn't match up...the guy is BSing...

The first wikileaks data was published on 22nd July.


??? That is what I just said and posted??? Are you OK?


That is not when the leaks happened and there is not as yet any conclusive proof that they were hacks as opposed to leaks.


There is 100% complete proof...Right down to the exact bitly link used to hack Podesta and other DNC folks on March 19th 2016..

motherboard.vice.com...




Murray also does not say he received the leaked information in September. He said he discovered who the source was in September.



Ok..Who is that?...Why do you trust Craig Berger?



I would strongly suggest you stop posting fake news as it helps no-one.


The OP claimed he was a former Ambassador to Russia...THAT is FAKE NEWS..He was an ambassador to Uzbekistan for less than two years...15 years ago..and sternly fired for trading Visa's to Britain for sex.

THAT is fact...


These included "hiring dolly birds [pretty young women] for above the usual rate" for the visa department, although Murray said that the department had an all-male staff, and Murray was accused of granting British visas to Uzbek women in exchange for sex in his office.

en.wikipedia.org...





edit on 15-12-2016 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
The CIA refused to turn up for a House Intelligence Committee briefing on the alleged Russian influence. They were too busy.


www.foxnews.com...



congress was briefed on Russian hacking in September....www.thedailybeast.com... CIA is now busy putting all the data together into a THOROUGH report, the committee will get it when it's done....

but what you say is so much more juicy than the actual truth
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