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Essentially Trump is replacing lawyer politicians with highly successful businessmen

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

You know to join Trumps team you cannot lobby five years after leaving your position or while in office right? He is not bringing in people to serve under like many admins have done. Once in office the real people take control. That is the issue. The establishment does not have that control right now. The person who does is someone who has been beaten down by that same establishment for years...decades. It is time for a reboot. Draining down does not mean killing the environment...it means creating a space for growth.




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Udntknowjack
a reply to: Xeven

Lol you think businessmen are better than lawyers?

Do you still leave cookies and milk for Santa by chance?


Not saying that I like Trumps picks, but yes Business men are better than Lawyers. I own a business. I'm not shady and weaselly like most lawyers I know. I don't speak in legaleeze and doublespeak. I don't lie to make money etc. There's a huge difference.


But I'll bet you have hired them to do it for you
And the Biggest Corporations in this country have teams of slimy lawyers working for them to protect them from consumers and citizens.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
So, basically, the "middle-man" (politician) was cut out. Instead of lobbyists bribing politicians for corporate benefit, we now have the corporate bodies directly in government. And this is a good thing, seriously??

What could possibly go wrong? Now the foxes are IN the hen house.

Smh.


That is what has been wanted ALL ALONG
To take the power out of the hands of the people and hand it all to the FASCISTS
Prior to 1970, Big Business involvement was pretty small, they wanted government out their business.
That all changed when Big Business looked to government as a partner.
Then afterwards it sky rocketed until we have what we have today and now they own the place.

The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.
David Rockefeller

What people are cheering with Trump is a continuation and possible completion of Rockefeller's wishes years ago



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: jacobe001

No. At many companies the purpose of the CEO is to make money for the shareholders. These days, if you hold stock in that company, you are a shareholder. Do you realize how many otherwise average folks are shareholders in these big companies thanks to their retirement accounts and pension plans?

Now think about it this way: If the mentality is to create a business in which WE THE PEOPLE are all the shareholders, which we are as taxpayers, then we are headed in the right direction no matter who is in charge of it. In that sense, they will be working for us and creating value for us.


Only 50 percent of American WORKERS have a 401K or Retirement Account, this has been known for a long time.
money.usnews.com...

Of those 50 Percent, 40 Percent have less than 10,000 dollars in their 401K
www.cnbc.com...

That leaves us with 10% of Americans have a 401K or retirement account with greater than 10,000 so it is only benefiting the TOP 10%.

It gets even worse, the top 20% OWN 90% of the wealth in the financial markets
And the top .1% own the majority of that wealth.

www2.ucsc.edu...

The same people want to privatize social security so they can add it to their Gambling Casino in the Financial Markets to play with.

I have asked many people this question and have never got an answer.
They say the people Trump picked are perfect because they already made enough wealth and can now work for their country.

So, why would these millionaires under Trump stop trying to gain even more wealth?
Why did Billionaires not stop at Millions?
What is the cut off point?

If I have a few million, I am not looking at the guys below me but ones above me that are Billionaires to see where I need to go. Why stop now? If I get in office, I am going to make policies to increase my wealth, I don't care about the people below me.

And this has been the problem that has been brewing all along for the past 30 years.
Corporations did not lobby for Trade Pacts with China for American's, they did it for Exec Bonuses and Shareholder Profits
Corporations did not lobby for H1B increases, they did it for Exec Bonuses and Shareholder Profits
Corporations did not lobby for Obamacare for the average American that is getting screwed from it, they did it for Exec Bonuses and Shareholder Profits

Nowhere in the above was Labor included as required under Capitalism nor under the Constitution where all citizens have representation. Corporate Fascism



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: jacobe001

You know to join Trumps team you cannot lobby five years after leaving your position or while in office right? He is not bringing in people to serve under like many admins have done. Once in office the real people take control. That is the issue. The establishment does not have that control right now. The person who does is someone who has been beaten down by that same establishment for years...decades. It is time for a reboot. Draining down does not mean killing the environment...it means creating a space for growth.


Under Obama, before he was inaugurated, he said he was going to put a Halt to Corruption in DC and on Wall Street and was going to have the most transparent administration we have ever seen.

Sorry, but I left the politician liar train years ago because I have seen the same dam promises made over and over and over and over and over again to where it is forgotten once they are in office.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

But he was pushed to say that by the same people who made him pass the ARRA otherwise known as the 'Stimulus'. It was payback for helping his campaign.

There is no one for Trump to impress or payback. He did it on his own. Yes he had some help but for less than anyone in a modern era he took down the RNC establishment and the DNC.

That in itself should be a nice pat on the back.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

One would seriously have to be stunned stupid/ignorant or purposefully ignoring what is happening..to not see the hypocrisy.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: jacobe001



There is no one for Trump to impress or payback. He did it on his own.


Then why has Trump placed into Office the King of Crony Capitalists and not successful people from other reaches of the country? Successful people in my definition are the ones that get there on their own and not through purchasing politicians.
There are thousands of smart owners at regional banks and business across the country that he could have selected from.

In 2008, Goldman Sachs shorted their own clients to make a buck. Is that the definition of successful to you?
Do you think someone that will stab you in the back to make a buck is going to work for you all of a sudden?



Here is Trumps take on Goldman Sachs


Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Was there another loan that Ted Cruz FORGOT to file. Goldman Sachs owns him, he will do anything they demand. Not much of a reformer!
5:52 AM - 16 Jan 2016


Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Cruz says I supported TARP, which gave $25 million to Goldman Sachs, the bank which loaned him the money he didn't disclose. Puppet!
7:34 PM - 22 Jan 2016

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Is Cruz honest? He is in bed w/ Wall St. & is funded by Goldman Sachs/Citi, low interest loans. No legal disclosure & never sold off assets.
8:08 PM - 22 Jan 2016


Trump later branched out and included Hillary Clinton in those attacks. “I know the guys at Goldman Sachs,” Trump said. “They have total, total control over him. Just like they have total control over Hillary Clinton.”
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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NVM..I shouldn't be rude

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:27 PM
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a reply to: Xeven

Ever seen the movie "The Devils Advocate?" Starring Keanu Reeves as a Lawyer? Remember when keanu at the beginning of the movie defended a child molester? Shortly after his career skyrocketed. (Compare that bit with Hillary defending a pedophile and laughing.)


With this in mind, if you saw the movie, who was the head of the lawfirm?
Hint: Al Pacino, but what character did he play?

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

You..uh aware it's a movie, not real life.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 07:34 PM
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A business man hired me and pays me, laywers never paid me anything or hired me



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: MagicCow

that other other super rich people since the more money you have the more you will be the target of lawsuits.. everybody wants something for nothing.

you show me a successful businessman that isnt buried under lawsuits and ill perform gender reassignment surgery on myself with a fork.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 07:59 PM
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originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: SoulSurfer

You..uh aware it's a movie, not real life.


It is called a metaphor. Comparing situations, and possibilities because of them.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The problem with that line of reasoning is that they only know the theory of what they are writing rules for. They have no practical experience of the systems themselves in most cases.

Like it or not; believe it or not; having actual experience of what you are trying to write rules for actually gives you some real insight into how the rules you are proposing will impact what you are regulating. Theory is not enough to replace practical experience.

How is it not "practical experience" when the lawyers are the ones actually fighting the court battles? Laws in a vacuum mean nothing! Laws only matter based on how they're upheld in court.

Legal battles are what decide the boundaries of laws, which is why legal rulings can drastically change the meanings of "Freedom of Speech", "Probable Cause", etc. Lawyers are the ones on the front lines in those battles, and its their research and interpretations which shape the way entire jurisdictions apply our laws.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: enlightenedservant

The problem with that line of reasoning is that they only know the theory of what they are writing rules for. They have no practical experience of the systems themselves in most cases.

Like it or not; believe it or not; having actual experience of what you are trying to write rules for actually gives you some real insight into how the rules you are proposing will impact what you are regulating. Theory is not enough to replace practical experience.

How is it not "practical experience" when the lawyers are the ones actually fighting the court battles? Laws in a vacuum mean nothing! Laws only matter based on how they're upheld in court.

Legal battles are what decide the boundaries of laws, which is why legal rulings can drastically change the meanings of "Freedom of Speech", "Probable Cause", etc. Lawyers are the ones on the front lines in those battles, and its their research and interpretations which shape the way entire jurisdictions apply our laws.


Quoted for agreement.

As if lawyers just sit at desks and rake in money. Not defending lawyers but they are a GUGE part of every major company, in any field,
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 09:04 PM
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You guys do realize that it's these high end business people that have lobbied Washington extensively over the last 30 years to move jobs over seas to create bigger margins for their bottom line.


originally posted by: Xeven
It really is a coup. He really is in large part draining the swamp of lawyers. Most of the people in cabinet positions and even the Presidency have been lawyers.

The lawyer politicians are mad as hell about it and so are their bought and paid for MSM talking heads. The lawyers have infested our Government in every corner.

I am very hopeful these highly successful and intelligent men will do much better for the US than the lawyers have.

Even Hillary is a disbarred lawyer.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
You guys do realize that it's these high end business people that have lobbied Washington extensively over the last 30 years to move jobs over seas to create bigger margins for their bottom line.


originally posted by: Xeven
It really is a coup. He really is in large part draining the swamp of lawyers. Most of the people in cabinet positions and even the Presidency have been lawyers.

The lawyer politicians are mad as hell about it and so are their bought and paid for MSM talking heads. The lawyers have infested our Government in every corner.

I am very hopeful these highly successful and intelligent men will do much better for the US than the lawyers have.

Even Hillary is a disbarred lawyer.



Hence the tax breaks.

Hence the big biz leaders fighting for the USA's bottom line now, not their own.

Not ideological dreamers who act like how things ought to be at your expense. Besides, how them lawyers been working out for ya?

Yes, they have their place in society. An important one at that, but look at obama's DOJ the last 8 yrs.

While I do have sympathy for the poor people that might miss their $10 a day pay in poor countries, their country has to pick up the ball for them.




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
You guys do realize that it's these high end business people that have lobbied Washington extensively over the last 30 years to move jobs over seas to create bigger margins for their bottom line.


originally posted by: Xeven
It really is a coup. He really is in large part draining the swamp of lawyers. Most of the people in cabinet positions and even the Presidency have been lawyers.

The lawyer politicians are mad as hell about it and so are their bought and paid for MSM talking heads. The lawyers have infested our Government in every corner.

I am very hopeful these highly successful and intelligent men will do much better for the US than the lawyers have.

Even Hillary is a disbarred lawyer.




Shhhhh...no, These guy are our friends. 2008 crash? That hardly affected any families in the States. And remember how the banks and financial institutions attoned for their despicable behaviour which led to the crash? Remember how they held back on million dollar bonuses that year? That was nice of them to show some humility for destroying(yes, DESTROYING) lives. The environment? No, you have it all wrong, these companies really care about not polluting.

Trump is a man of the people. Sure he got there by sh*tting on the little guy as he did with the landowners in Scotland or by forming bullsh*t organisations like Trump University which actively encouarged their sales staff to try to be really pushy about roping people in, even single mothers and others who might not be financially stable enough to afford the "courses", sure he has a private plane with his name on the side, sure his house has as much gold in it as a Saudi prince's house..but OTHER than those things, he's just like the single mom or dad working 2 jobs to take care of their kids. Ignore his incredibly distasteful shows of wealth and you got regular Joe.

I know that none of these points will be addressed since they so far have not in this thread and others and i will be labelled a Hillary lover, which i am not, shes awful too. or a sore loser=, which im not as im in the UK.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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Republicans need to realize that tax breaks don't bring back jobs. All they do is allow the corporations to 1. buy back shares of their stock or 2. corporations will save that money and 3. raise their dividends.

Think about it. If I have a staff of 10 and can sufficiently produce my widgets based on the demand, why in the world would I hire another 1-2 more people to do the work? It does not make business sense to do it despite having more money to play with.

Just look at Sam Brownback in Kansas. He slashed taxes and now the state is in a fiscal crisis. It's so bad that the past 4 governors in KS (both republicans and democrats) came together to ask Brownback to step down.



originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: SeekingAlpha
You guys do realize that it's these high end business people that have lobbied Washington extensively over the last 30 years to move jobs over seas to create bigger margins for their bottom line.


originally posted by: Xeven
It really is a coup. He really is in large part draining the swamp of lawyers. Most of the people in cabinet positions and even the Presidency have been lawyers.

The lawyer politicians are mad as hell about it and so are their bought and paid for MSM talking heads. The lawyers have infested our Government in every corner.

I am very hopeful these highly successful and intelligent men will do much better for the US than the lawyers have.

Even Hillary is a disbarred lawyer.



Hence the tax breaks.

Hence the big biz leaders fighting for the USA's bottom line now, not their own.

Not ideological dreamers who act like how things ought to be at your expense. Besides, how them lawyers been working out for ya?

Yes, they have their place in society. An important one at that, but look at obama's DOJ the last 8 yrs.

While I do have sympathy for the poor people that might miss their $10 a day pay in poor countries, their country has to pick up the ball for them.


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