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Essentially Trump is replacing lawyer politicians with highly successful businessmen

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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant

It would be like picking a tax lawyer that prosecutes offshore account holders to lead the IRS. They'd know exactly what loopholes are being exploited & upheld in a court of law, so they'd know what "holes" to "plug". Or picking a former labor rights activist turned labor law-specializing lawyer to lead the Department of Labor. That person wouldn't simply know what's legal or illegal like the generic Justice Dept lawyers; they'd specialize in specific labor laws and the different interpretations of them that have been upheld in court.


I'd rather pick a businessman who knows how to make the tax code attractive enough that it's easier for businesses to pay in full rather than waste money and resources on trying to avoid them.

I'd rather pick a businessman who knows how to find a compromise that doesn't make employment the minefield of litigation it has currently become.

Speaking as a lawyer, lawyers suck. We exist for trouble. No trouble, no job.

Also, please never use the word loophole, it's a terrible and disgusting word.




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 06:43 AM
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First off there is as much or more danger with "highly succeful bussinessmen".

It's called an oligarchy.

Business men are use to be being bosses and controlling their employees. The people are not their employees it's vice versa.

Lastly most of the business men Trump has picked are not innovative business leaders. They are money managers and brokers. They didn't invent anything, didn't come up with an amazing manufacturing process, they didn't even start a company. Some of his lower cab positions have but the big dogs have not. Even his pick for labor. The guy has no manufacturing knowledge he is a pr money manager of a second rate fast food restaurant that objectifies woman in nearly all its adds.

Exon, uh one of the biggest corporate welfare recipients. They basically write laws by spending 300k a day loby in the governement.

I think a few of his pucks are good ed sec, Def sec, but over all he picked old guard neoconservative ceo's from industries that have questionable pasts.

Most of the forefathers were lawyers. Jefferson is my favorite president. Lawyer.

GWB and Cheney were businessmen. They certainly muffled up the economy. He also said he was against nation building.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Xeven

Lawmakers and lawyers go hand in hand. You literally have one profession that decides and writes the rules, while the other profession learns and applies them. So it makes sense to choose lawyers to help craft new laws, since they may know the existing laws better than the lawmakers themselves.


I prefer to have smart intelligent and successful business leaders framing and forming the laws and hire lawyers to write them.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 08:03 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: Xeven

Lawmakers and lawyers go hand in hand. You literally have one profession that decides and writes the rules, while the other profession learns and applies them. So it makes sense to choose lawyers to help craft new laws, since they may know the existing laws better than the lawmakers themselves.


I prefer to have smart intelligent and successful business leaders framing and forming the laws and hire lawyers to write them.


So jefferson, Both Adams, jackson, and all the early framework writers were wrong?

Trump is the first guy with no public service expirience. There is going to be a huge learning curve. Starting with his nominations.

Business leaders have a lot of potential mis use.

Trump's own father was convcited of profiteering.

Politicians businessmen have every if not more incentive for profiteering. Taking public money and giving private.

Don't act like a businessman is any more equipt to govern. There is zero historical record of this.

People are people. You need to study what they did, where they are from, what they are doing.

Based on that I have some serious concerns of a stronger oligarchy forming.

And I am a fiscal and government scale conservative.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: luthier

We are 20 Trillion in debt. It took Obama 9 trillion in additional debt to fake the economy as being good. It is a time for businessmen. You do not hire a welder to do surgery do you?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven
a reply to: luthier

We are 20 Trillion in debt. It took Obama 9 trillion in additional debt to fake the economy as being good. It is a time for businessmen. You do not hire a welder to do surgery do you?


Trump's tax plan looks like it will add 1 trillion to that debt per year by nearly every coservative tax payer foundation I have seen. It requires a perfect budget scenario. JFK was literally the last guy to make a tax plan that didn't create a massive deficit.

Economics isn't simple sounding points.

The US is not a business. It's money decisions can be done with congress. If you believe in liberal central planning concept then, I suppose a businessman is good.

Historically many businessmen have fleeced nations with special private interest.

Government is supposed to be as small as possible.

Appointing a guy as sec of state who is a top 5 lobbyist in the world is a bad sign.

By the way the business community as a whole is not excited.

The majority of companies making products use chinese supply lines, creating any kind of trade war is a mistake. These are things done in the house and Senate over decades. Over night they created recessions and crashes.

Again this is all as a student of history looking at this.

You want the president to do as little as possible. Congress is the important factor. They write laws the president executes.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: Xeven

Ignorance was not denied in this thread.

I wonder, what does Trump have to do for his supporters to finally criticize his actions and decisions?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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a reply to: Xeven

Trump is appointing people from the private sector to oversee an industry with which they are intimately aligned.

Either Trump is too stupid to realize the inherent conflict of interest or hes in on it.

But its nothing new. Bankers have been appointed to the SEC, Monsanto execs to head the FDA, oil industry big wigs to head the Department of Energy etc.

Business as usual under Trump and Co.




posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: Udntknowjack

Because of where he grew up and how much he cares about people. He is a doctor. A humanitarian. He is a great choice.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: EvillerBob

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

It would be like picking a tax lawyer that prosecutes offshore account holders to lead the IRS. They'd know exactly what loopholes are being exploited & upheld in a court of law, so they'd know what "holes" to "plug". Or picking a former labor rights activist turned labor law-specializing lawyer to lead the Department of Labor. That person wouldn't simply know what's legal or illegal like the generic Justice Dept lawyers; they'd specialize in specific labor laws and the different interpretations of them that have been upheld in court.


I'd rather pick a businessman who knows how to make the tax code attractive enough that it's easier for businesses to pay in full rather than waste money and resources on trying to avoid them.

I'd rather pick a businessman who knows how to find a compromise that doesn't make employment the minefield of litigation it has currently become.

Speaking as a lawyer, lawyers suck. We exist for trouble. No trouble, no job.

Also, please never use the word loophole, it's a terrible and disgusting word.


If you think about it, real estate is not a business of compromise. It is one of those industries where there are winners and losers. This is the exact wrong mindset it takes to get into global agreements where so many interests are in conflict.

Second, how do you think several billionaires could possibly understand the lower and middle class? They are not experienced public servants - they are profit servants. You can make all the profit in the world at the expense of many.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: Xeven
It really is a coup. He really is in large part draining the swamp of lawyers. Most of the people in cabinet positions and even the Presidency have been lawyers.

The lawyer politicians are mad as hell about it and so are their bought and paid for MSM talking heads. The lawyers have infested our Government in every corner.

I am very hopeful these highly successful and intelligent men will do much better for the US than the lawyers have.

Even Hillary is a disbarred lawyer.

Replacing with lawyers and handing the government to rich people. So where is the representation for the middle class and poor?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:17 AM
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originally posted by: BlueAjah
The big difference between Trump's picks and the former career politician cabinets is - Trump's people have real life experience. They understand how the real world works. Even the politicians he is choosing seem to have recent real life experience as compared to career/lifer politicians. The generals also have been around the world, right in the heart of the action, and they know what is really going on beyond the walls of Senate.

I think that many career politicians live in a bubble. All they know is what happens in their little circle and what they are told by MSM.

This new cabinet knows how to get things done in the real world. They know what we need.

I am hopeful for the future.




Real experiences like Mnuchin heading Goldman Sachs and robbing the people of their savings?



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:22 AM
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a reply to: Xeven

I hate Trump and the crap he comes away with.............But i lawyers more!


Getting rid of there type can only be a step in the correct direction.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:26 AM
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It's simply amazing how many experts we have predicting the future when as Luthier said there IS no precedent for this...for that matter there IS no precedent for our COUNTRY.
We are all in this for the 1st time,that's chaos not predictable and the standard models from Europe and history CANNOT predict US behavior.
Not a Nazi ,racist or RNC ,just people ONE man thinks he want to run the show.
ALL OF this is a CHAOTIC method of operation and we ACE that.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: luthier

His pick's are crony capitalists..f'ing garbage



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: cenpuppie
He's not draining any swamp, he's adding to it. Not much if anything is going to change except for foreign policy and a few other Trumpian moves.

New boss, same as the old boss.


I guess if you're a hard left wing socialist/communist/Marxist, business and capitalism are a swamp.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: TheBulk

Or if you have been in a coma for the last 20 years, really though you obviously neglected to put politics in your equation.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 11:01 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Did you also know that Trump 'sued' him after two failed projects financed by Mnuchin? They are businessmen. They owe each other nothing.



posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: matafuchs

So that suddenly means that Mnuchin has our best interests at heart does it? Trump squashed the beef between the two of them and now Mnuchin is on the up-and-up. Good to know.
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posted on Dec, 14 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

No. I was giving you a fact to research.



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