wouldn't it be great if someone would invent a 'stupid' bomb which wiped out the power-mad, war-mongering, ignorant do-badders of the world? we could explode one in every country then and see who's left.

The Bible teaches an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.....How many of our troops are being killed fighting a war the wrong way right now?? But that's somehow okay? 60,000 young boys were killed in Vietnam for nothing because we underestimated the enemy and we didn't have a plan to win the war. Do we have a legitimate plan to win this war? NO. If we did, it would have been over a long time ago.

I wasn't serious about the neutron bomb comment...I wanted to cause a reaction which I did. But something other than what we are doing needs to be done and I'm sick of hearing about how much money the mega-rich are making off this war....they are the ones that want to drag it out and could care less how many of our troops are killed in the process.

And someone asked...do I have any idea what's going on over in Irag....ah, yes I certainly do!

This neutron thread caught my eye for a reason.

My theory is this. Locate Osama and his clan and isolate them to 10 or 20 square miles.

Contact each surrounding nation and ask them for permission to use a tactical neutron bomb.

Drop leaflets in the region telling Osama and his people that they can come out and willingfully disband and dismember their organization....and or...they can stay and be entombed.

Clear the area and watch carefully the people coming and going.

Neutron the area. When his people see that God has not saved him from emminent death, his people will realise that his dream and leadership was not and is not devine.

Nuclear used properly is not bad. We as Americans have learned that mass murder was not anything that we want to have on our hands on then or now and that my friends is why we use small bombs even when we carry the real trump card. Ever wonder what MOAB means abbreviatted? My god, a big Bertha....Even god said oh crap...!! No more kids. That was a bit extreme.

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Originally posted by Zabilgy
And for that matter, any other country in the Middle East giving us problems. Seems like a quick solution and one that would make the rest of the world fear us again instead of thinking we are a big joke. Of course we'd have to get our troops and civilians out first.

For those unfamiliar with Neutron Bombs...they destroy all living things, but leave structures and other non-living things in tact. So we could ait for the smoke to clear and then go in and take over!!

Is this too extreme?

Please please tell me this is a joke...

zabilgy,
a neutron bomb, in your words, "they destroy all living things"

what next ? after all the people pour into Iraq from syria, iran, etc, do you just bomb them again ? and what after that ? what does this actually accomplish ?

Originally posted by Zabilgy
And for that matter, any other country in the Middle East giving us problems. Seems like a quick solution and one that would make the rest of the world fear us again instead of thinking we are a big joke. Of course we'd have to get our troops and civilians out first.

For those unfamiliar with Neutron Bombs...they destroy all living things, but leave structures and other non-living things in tact. So we could ait for the smoke to clear and then go in and take over!!

Is this too extreme?

It is not only extreme, it's sadistic.
I find it very difficult that people could even think this way. But I suppose that is what happens when you're country spends more on war than education for its citizens.

Originally posted by Zabilgy
And after that, we were feared! We need to be feared again!

Actually you would be hated by the other 96% of the earths population.

Allow me to quote Caligula. "Let them hate us, as long as they fear us"
He was assassinated in the fifth year of his mad reign by one of his own praetorian guards.

Originally posted by Zabilgy
...we seem to be fighting with sticks and stones and...we're not fighting like a super power.

In the WWII era the U.S could attack or bomb whoever they wanted using whatever they wanted in the name of freedom, simply because it's public was not there to see its actions. The U.S learnt a valuable with the war in Vietnam, when for the first time war was beamed directly to the average Joe’s television.
War was no longer glorious or patriotic; people finally saw it for what is was... madness. The U.S still knows today that everything it does can be viewed eventually by anyone, and that is why it treads carefully now. How do you think the world (including the U.S public) would react to the post-impact images of such a bomb you propose? Their anger would pour out onto the streets.

Originally posted by Zabilgy
I wasn't serious about the neutron bomb comment...

Its best not to say things you don't mean, people will begin to judge you from what you say...stick to what you believe and stop trying to cause chaos.

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Originally posted by Zabilgy
We did it in Japan and it put a quick end to the war and saved a lot of American lives....

can you show me any structures that were left standing in Hiroshima ?
I think i saw part of a wall

This is probably the most idiotic most ill-thought-out thred I have ever seen...
Hell why don't you yanks just end the world? Would save alot of lives in conflict... Oh wait, you are already trying... Nevermind...

There are small nuclear shells that have very short half life. I am not a war monger and I decry nuclear solutions. But in this matter, if hes in a cave, and we cant directly locate him, I think a broad solution with him being silenced for eternity doesnt sound so damm bad.

A neutron has a damage life of a week or two and leaves structures standing.
You can shoot them from a tank or drop them from a plane. Im talking about catching a rat in his hole.

This is indeed a viable solution when youve got him and his group isolated to an area of less then 50 square miles. It has to be done with consent. If India and Pakistan are aiming huge war heads at each other,, I think they would approve of a little one that doest make a big mushroom cloud like you all think. Nutron. No Boom, No Mushroom. Just Sterilizes. And this planet needs to be sterilized of this group. Period. Not up for debate on that issue.

Its invisble. Now you see Osama...Now you dont. And frankly...Good riddens.

If you think convetional bombs are cherry pie, ask someone who has heard them drop. The concussion will ring your brain. Its stops the blood from flowin in your head and causes permanent damage even at ranges of a mile.

If you are not experienced in real war or have put some real thought to this mans demise being priority, then maybe this thread that didnt seem practical, actually breaths some truth...think on it. thats why there is this forum.



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Originally posted by LadyV
Yep...that's a wonderful idea....if you don't do it our way...if we don't get our way...we'll just bomb you....how juvenile. Never mind that many of the people that would die, have no more control over their government than we do.....

Sad, I've heard many adults say something similar to this.

Save your lectures for your children. My life isn't defined by your opinion of me...sorry to disappoint you.

We did it in Japan and it put a quick end to the war and saved a lot of American lives....

Sure, and it also killed many children, women, babies, etc. that had no idea of what was going on....or why bombs were falling.

Militarily speaking, sure, when you can't tell the enemy from the civilians, bombing them all ensures victory.

However, Iraq isn't just a military war...it's a political one. While such a tactic would win militarily, we'd lose politically big time.

So what? you say? We don't need the world! They just hate us anyhow!

You'd be wrong, we DO need the world. They provide goods, we provide goods. Nowadays, the global economy is intrinsically linked. The US is the world's biggest consumer, and our economy would sink without trade throughout the world.

It's just not as simple as nuking them all....as much as we'd like a simple solution. There are innocents involved, whether you believe it or not. Currently, we're doing a lot to minimize the deaths to innocents, some would even say TOO much, jeopardizing ourselves in the process. As long as we continue to do so, we can win politically as well as militarily, and that of course, is the goal in all of this....

I will agree with HIFYGUY's ideas on the isolation and use of the NEUTRON (not Nuclear) bomb though, but somehow I think they'd go with MOABs in that instance...

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Bin Laden is not a nation. He is cancer of corrupted thought that is infecting other nations. This is not offering a nation an alternative, its letting that nation
use a high tech weapon to eliminate a group that is hard to pin down.

THis is not saying do it our way. Its saying, if your in my house, I have a right to dissinfect, and by the way, we are going to assist our friends to. You can run, you can hide, you can be killed by the invisible man. Turn about is fair play and let us forget this is terrorism. The rules of engagement are very different from war.

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Originally posted by Zabilgy
The Bible teaches an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.....How many of our troops are being killed fighting a war the wrong way right now?? But that's somehow okay? 60,000 young boys were killed in Vietnam for nothing because we underestimated the enemy and we didn't have a plan to win the war. Do we have a legitimate plan to win this war? NO. If we did, it would have been over a long time ago.

I wasn't serious about the neutron bomb comment...I wanted to cause a reaction which I did. But something other than what we are doing needs to be done and I'm sick of hearing about how much money the mega-rich are making off this war....they are the ones that want to drag it out and could care less how many of our troops are killed in the process.

And someone asked...do I have any idea what's going on over in Irag....ah, yes I certainly do!

Oh ok... so you wasn’t serious about the neutron bomb comment.

You still seem to be implying that this war should be brought to a quick end by using some kind of WMD... Er... isn’t that the reason you went to war with them... because they had WMD's... er... hang on... No they didn’t... oh well at least you’ve got the oil.

Maybe you should be arguing that we shouldn’t have gone into Iraq in the first place.

As for the Iraq - 911 connection... where did you get this info... last I heard it was Bin Laden who organised 911.

And please don’t go on about Iraq's human rights issues... if this was a case of going into Iraq because of their bad human rights record then why have you not invaded...

China
North Korea
Turkey
Burma
Uganda

could go on...

The real reasons for this war is OIL, Weapons sales and getting one over on a man who was not taken out by George W Bush's father.

Is that really a good enough reason to obliterate them?


I also notice your quote from the Bible...

Some people have a really warped perception on religion, what about...

Thou shall not kill
Love thy neighbour
Judge not for ye shall be judged
What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul
Blessed are the Merciful, for they shall obtain mercy
Blessed are the Peacemakers

Again I could go on...

One last thing... are you a nut job?

The comment I made wasn't serious.....I was just trying to cause a reaction, which I obviously have. So I did what I set out to do....get a good debate going......

is it too much to ask that you simply frame your original post as a question or topic for debate ?

jeessh......

I should move my comments to a thread this not equated to IRAQ.

Iraq is not where this needs to be done. I was thinking terrorists and I noted it was IRAQ.

IRAQ is not a place where this needs to be employed. Sorry

Originally posted by Zabilgy
So we could ait for the smoke to clear and then go in and take over!!

Take over what? And what good would this do? You'd probably need more neutron bombs than the US has Nuclear bombs in order to kill everyone.

Oh, not to mention that genocide is usually a bad idea, but I guess thats lost on ya.

We did it in Japan and it put a quick end to the war and saved a lot of American lives....

The US did not exterminate the japanese people, it used a powerful weapon against them.

We need to be feared again!

Why? Didn't you know that the godfather dies in the end of that movie?

...we're not fighting like a super power

So rather than fight an effective war against civilian blending insurgents, you opt to exterminate everyone in the country?

You do realize that massive areal bombing campaigns don't work against insurgents and guerillas right? I mean, that was sort of the big lesson from vietnam.

The Bible teaches an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth

Man, are you serious? The bible doesn't teach that at all. Yesh. Thats from Hammurabis code. it means that the punishment fits the damage inflicted, it means if I knockout someone's teeth, then my punishment cant be getting my hands chopped off or death or torture, but merely having my own teeth knocked out. Hammurabis Code applied to 911 would only allow that a similiar number of the enemy be killed.

I was just trying to cause a reaction

Oh, i see, you're a troll. Ah ok.

hifiguy
Locate Osama and his clan and isolate them to 10 or 20 square miles

This is the problem tho. If he could be isolated to within 10-20 miles, then there'd be a range of things to do.

Does the US, or anyone, have an actual neutron bomb? Especially one with a kill radius of 20 miles?

gazrok
While such a tactic would win militarily

Massive Firepower and Bombing Campaigns do not stop guerilla wars. It didn't stop the Boer Commandos. It didn't stop the Communists in Vietnam, and it certainly isn't going to stop Iraqi Insurgents or Global Terrorist Cells. These things have to be fought cell to cell.

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Originally posted by Zabilgy
Save your lectures for your children. My life isn't defined by your opinion of me...sorry to disappoint you.

All i did was give you some friendly advice and you give me a blunt reply..atleast i know what kind of person you are