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Where is the evidence of this supposed "Russian Influence", or is all this just more FAKE NEWS?

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:16 PM
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a reply to: omniEther

It was proven Hillary compromised National Security, what was not proven was who exactly gained access to the information.

Trump did not compromise National Security, the DNC got hacked using unsecure methods of communication, that has nothing to do with Trump.

Public opinion is manipulated by many different actors, including foreign; whether Russia influenced public opinion(or propaganda term 'the elections') cannot be proven.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

There's no way you're this thick.

What I just did was unravel your crowds allegations that Russia is motivated by Trump for him being a "patsy".

FACT: Syria has been Russia ally.

FACT: Hillary supported Al Qaeda (who blew down the WTC) pursuits of overthrowing the government in Syria (amongst other nations).

FACT: Trump is against Al Qaeda.

FACT: Trump is against over-throwing governments.

THerefore all of your arguments and questions along these lines are a laughing stock.

If it took Russia to bring an end to DESTROYING THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE around the world, you know what good for them.If Russia is so bad as you insist, then look how bad that makes your crowd look.

One things for sure, I had better not see you harping about Muslim's ever again, because you are clearly all about destroying their lives to push this hard to put Hillary back in so she can go blow up the rest of the Middle East.



The inhumane hypocritical shamelessness of Hillary supporters is utterly mind blowing. Social psychologists will be studying this for decades to come (much like they still study how the German's under Nazi rule got to being so off the hook monstrous).



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: underwerks

Why should anyone answer your questions, you have refused to answer mine.

Mine were not hypothetical questions either. American lives were ruined, innocent lives from other nations were destroyed. Tell me how that is beneficial?



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: GodEmperor




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: underwerks

There's no way you're this thick.

What I just did was unravel your crowds allegations that Russia is motivated by Trump for him being a "patsy".

FACT: Syria has been Russia ally.

FACT: Hillary supported Al Qaeda (who blew down the WTC) pursuits of overthrowing the government in Syria (amongst other nations).

FACT: Trump is against Al Qaeda.

FACT: Trump is against over-throwing governments.

THerefore all of your arguments and questions along these lines are a laughing stock.

If it took Russia to bring an end to DESTROYING THE LIVES OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE around the world, you know what good for them.If Russia is so bad as you insist, then look how bad that makes your crowd look.

One things for sure, I had better not see you harping about Muslim's ever again, because you are clearly all about destroying their lives to push this hard to put Hillary back in so she can go blow up the rest of the Middle East.



The inhumane hypocritical shamelessness of Hillary supporters is utterly mind blowing. Social psychologists will be studying this for decades to come (much like they still study how the German's under Nazi rule got to being so off the hook monstrous).

You didn't unravel anything.

You're basing your ideas on Donald Trump's statements. Not his actions. I believe him to be a bigger warmonger than Bush or Hillary, but it hasn't been seen yet either way. So both views are just as valid at this point. I'm not going to take the word of a conman that he isn't all those things he's said he isn't.

I'm not being thick here, I've asked a simple yes or no question twice, and you've beat around the question in every response.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:35 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: underwerks

Why should anyone answer your questions, you have refused to answer mine.

Mine were not hypothetical questions either. American lives were ruined, innocent lives from other nations were destroyed. Tell me how that is beneficial?

You've asked me one question in this entire thread, which I answered in the next response. Maybe you want to read back through.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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That's what you support by supporting Hillary.

And that was Russia's ally. But they dont hate her, they just love Trump following your lots fallacious realities.

You "believe" Trump is worse, but we know for a FACT Hillary is a MONSTER, and instead of voe against her to teach her a lesson, you'll just play partisan politics because its all just a game.



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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:45 PM
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By running with this claim of "The Russians did it!" they are eventually gonna have to confront the elephant in the room, which is that this happened under Obama's watch. That he evidently did not listen to anyone when they came to him about how vulnerable we are to hacks and cyber attacks.





posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: underwerks



That's what you support by supporting Hillary.

And that was Russia's ally. But they dont like her, they just love Trump following your lots fallacious realities.

You "believe" Trump is worse, but we know for a FACT Hillary is a MONSTER, and instead of voe against her to teach her a lesson, you'll just play partisan politics because its all just a game.



And Trump is about to nominate John Bolton, one of the architects of the Iraq war to Deputy Secretary of State.

If you support that then you obviously support the Iraq invasion.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

That's not Hillary, that's America. Hillary, Bush, Obama, Trump, all just different faces for the same thing.

You're right about one thing though, this is about partisan politics. One side hates the other so much they instantly dismiss any talk of foreign influence because their candidate benefits from it.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: GodEmperor
a reply to: muse7

CrowdStrike seems to have a bias against Russia, and there are no named sources from a 'secret' CIA assessment.

Now, these accusations are directed towards the hacked DNC emails, which is only conjecture that these releases influenced anything.

There are no claims that Russia rigged the voting machines, or registered illegal aliens.

This narrative will die down after the electoral college votes, if it's wrong for a foreign government to influence public opinion; that should also apply to the domestic one as well.


But there is a named source... it is John Brennan.

None of this has anything to do with Russia. They haven't cared about Russia meddling before why start now?

I think it's because in less that 7 days the EC will likely vote Trump in - they know there is nothing they can do, short of assassination. Once that happens they can say bye bye to the Iran nuclear deal and the possibility of any further terrorists coming into the country via the influx of refugees

This is their hail mary. The ironic part of it - on Oct 24 Hillary tweeted that DJT even suggesting that he wouldn't respect the results of the election would be a direct threat to our democracy.

You just can't make this stuff up.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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we can read the actual emails.

there is no evidence put forth, other than 'washington post reports'

any mainstram media source is in on the scam, most likely attended bildaberg.

the emails are out there, for anyone to read and to make up their OWN minds, where as this evidence is being told to us by our big strong g0v.



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 12:20 AM
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The only influence from Russia that would matter is if there was an actual hack of the votes or voting machines.

There are a lot of people who want to toss out the results due to 'Russian influence', but never mind the American media who relentlessly influenced with fake polls, stock market fear-mongering, nuclear war (with who, Russia?) and emphasizing every politically incorrect thing Trump did for months. Apparently the Russians are waaay ahead of the Americans when it comes to propaganda.

The hacks exposed the cheating ways of the Democrats and they're mad. I believe Bernie would have cruised to the WH over Trump but Hillary had the primary election 'rigged'. Hillary followers don't care about that.

If the hacked emails weren't so damning they wouldn't have had an influence. What about the people who made a voting decision based on posts on an internet forum that could come from anywhere in the world, maybe even Russia? They want us to be a jury in courtroom when the judge orders a previous statement to not be considered and be thrown out. Then we would have had the proper 'unbiased' view of the wise ole sage Hillary and her experience vs. the bigoted war hawk Trump and his narcissism, just the way they wanted.



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 12:35 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog

Red as in communist party Sir



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 01:37 AM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: Gothmog

Red as in communist party Sir

No sir here. That was my Dad's first and last name till I was 18. Not mine.

And I was just checking
Now I concur.



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 02:39 AM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454
By running with this claim of "The Russians did it!" they are eventually gonna have to confront the elephant in the room, which is that this happened under Obama's watch. That he evidently did not listen to anyone when they came to him about how vulnerable we are to hacks and cyber attacks.





Yes, hard to believe Obama cops to such cyber incompetency that the Russians can instal whomever they want in the oval office.

Then again, his DOJ can't put together a case.

His State Dept has to pay ransoms to get hostages back and he needs to bring his own stairs to get off his plane in friendly countries because no one is there to greet him.

I'll just stop there.










posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 09:32 AM
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originally posted by: SouthernForkway26
The only influence from Russia that would matter is if there was an actual hack of the votes or voting machines.


Right!

How many "Russians a gonna be hacken dem polls" threads were posted before the elections?

Was there some CIA warning, that they got some spycraft intelligence warning about such an agenda, or was it pure diversionary paranoia? Oh, and then it turned out the 'hacking' went down in Detroit (for Hillary, where they still lost the state).



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: muse7
It has already been verified by CrowdStrike and the CIA. Some people are refusing to believe it. Some senators in Congress are calling for an investigation.

But it's funny.

You guys ate up a conspiracy theory about Clinton and the DNC running a Child Prostitution ring out of a pizzeria in DC, but when it comes to Russia manipulating the US elections..people all of a sudden become "skeptics".


What has been verified? That Russia has hacked the DNC?

First off UK ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray says he met the leaker and it is an intelligence insider that leaked the info. Second Assange has said the leaks came from intelligence sources not Russia. Third the CIA which is claiming that Russia hacked has provided zero proof and says it cannot because it is classified. I'm sorry but the CIA is a terrible source as part of their mandate is to lie and manipulate to get their way.

But for the sake of argument lets agree the DNC leaks were from a Russian hack. Not the podesta emails - the DNC emails - can you even name one damaging thing from the DNC leaks that changed the election?

I read many of those emails, but I bet you didn't, and I know damn well that none of the left leaning media reported on them. You know why? Because the only damaging things in the DNC emails were the press collusion with the DNC, and the DNC's favoritism of Hillary over Bernie. That is exactly the stuff they did not want to report to their left leaning viewers, because it made them look bad.

If you really believe those emails not being released would have changed the election you are being completely dishonest. First off 98% of the voters knew absolutely none of that info. Second none of that info was even damaging to Hillary.
Third even if the info did influence the 2% who knew about it - you would have to believe it would change all those peoples votes - highly doubtful knowing the divide between Republicans and Democrats, and even if it did change all their votes it would not have been enough to change the outcome of a state such as Pennsylvania or Wisconsin, because the number is still to small to change the outcome.

This whole thing is total BS, a desperate ploy by the establishment to delegitamize him.



posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 10:20 AM
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Hot off the press:

originally posted by: Profusion
President Barack Obama emphatically denounced the conspiracy theory saying Russians successfully tampered with the American voting process.

“We were frankly more concerned in the run up to the election to the possibilities of vote tampering, which we did not see evidence of,” he said. “And we’re confident that we can guard against.”

During an interview with the Daily Show’s Trevor Noah, Obama downplayed the hack of a private email account of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta, defending his administration for revealing in October that the Russian government was connected.

Obama Crushes Conspiracy: No Evidence that Russia Tampered with Votes in Election


SEE THE DISCUSSION HERE:
Obama Crushes Conspiracy: No Evidence that Russia Tampered with Votes in Election

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posted on Dec, 13 2016 @ 11:09 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

FAKE NEWS JUST TO DISTRACT FROMM THE CLINTON BUSH RIME SYNDICATE.

AND THE CIA'S CONTINUED PARITSON ACTIVITIES ON BEHALF OF THE CIMINAL ENTERPRIZES OWNED BY THE PAST ADINISTRATIONS OF OBAA BUSH N THE CLINTONS.

TRUMP VICTORY PLACED A MOKEY IN THEIR WRENCH BUSINESS.
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