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Where is the evidence of this supposed "Russian Influence", or is all this just more FAKE NEWS?

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:48 PM
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I've been begging the question, along with others, across multiple on topic threads now. Nobody I've noticed has even tried to deliver.

The big RED SCARE going down is all about this so-called "Russian Influence". Actual calls to recount the election, attempts to leverage the Electoral College over it, and etc along these lines (stuff that is flirting with triggering a hot civil war).

Is this pure hyperbolic conjecture?

Is this entire thrust just pure FAKE NEWS?

It's time to put up or shut up. This craps getting old.


EDIT: My response to the "CrowdStrike" talking point below is pretty important, so I'm bumping it up top:

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Meanwhile, if Russia did hack what was it the Hillary server, when some 4+ other nation states hacked it too how does that prove anything about anything? Note that the Hillary server files in WikiLeaks are actually from the State Dept. public releases. The missing emails never surfaced (even though the State Dept. & Hillary's lawyer each have them on a flash drive). The DNC hack was Guccifer 2.0. Not proven to be Russian. If it were Russian on that we'd have never known who even did it (how hard would it be for them to swipe them from random EU safe house setup, and then move out while destroying their paper trail?) [apply that logic to the rest].

Is there evidence that Russia did the Podesta server hack? I never heard about that. That is the one that actually influenced the election afterall.

Unless there's something I'm missing here, the only 'Russian influence' would a or should a been how they and others hacked Hillary's server thus compromising National Security (which she should have been locked up for).


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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:51 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

hyperbolic conjecture is that the new term for bull****



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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It's a media manipulation tactic, targeting a specific group of people. The electoral college.

They are attempting to sway enough electoral votes away from Trump. If that fails, I'm convinced the next measure would be an assassination attempt or terrorist attack, causing a state of emergency and the applicable measures for continuity of government.

This is more than just fake news, we are seeing the beginning of a modern civil war.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: khnum

Gotta keep these things politically correct.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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It has already been verified by CrowdStrike and the CIA. Some people are refusing to believe it. Some senators in Congress are calling for an investigation.

But it's funny.

You guys ate up a conspiracy theory about Clinton and the DNC running a Child Prostitution ring out of a pizzeria in DC, but when it comes to Russia manipulating the US elections..people all of a sudden become "skeptics".

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:58 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Remember how long it took them to release that 5-frame video of the pentagon getting missile-whipped?

Remember how much clarity it afforded the 'official' story-line?

It'll take that much time, and will give the same effect.

They'll probably cgi that too, given their track record so far.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 06:59 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Its not only conjecture, its also denial to accept there may have been an internal breach by our own government intelligence in an effort to keep $Hillary and her goons and highest bidders away from the most powerful military in the world. It could have well be an interl 'coup' from branch 'x' who were sick of the Clintons.

I also think it's the bitter taste of our own medicine. Think of all tge 'regimes' and foreign elections the US mettled in.
The thought of another government could intervene in the presidential election of the great United States, is cringe worthy to those who thought they were untouchable.

Absence of evidence is still not Evidence of absence though .


So yea, the Russian-gate is but the vestiges of what's left of the esteem of the left wing extremists.

Jan 20 there will be hundreds of new memes from the inauguration photos.






posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:00 PM
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Ladies and gentlemen in the red corner we have

Hillary Clinton and 1.2 billion dollars
The Mainstream media
The White House
The CIA
Half the Republican party
The DNC multimedia social media juggernaut
Wall Street
Saudi Arabia and Qatar
The Legions of hell
the unions and
Hollywood.

and in the blue corner

Sorcha faal Russian hacker and Colonel Smirnoff her Kremlin advisor.

Lets get ready to ruuuuuummble

......its all so pathetic its ridiculous



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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a reply to: muse7

Personally, I think CrowdStrike was paid to come up with their wild results.

Paid Bigly.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
It has already been verified by CrowdStrike and the CIA. Some people are refusing to believe it. Some senators in Congress are calling for an investigation.

But it's funny.

You guys ate up a conspiracy theory about Clinton and the DNC running a Child Prostitution ring out of a pizzeria in DC, but when it comes to Russia manipulating the US elections..people all of a sudden become "skeptics".


Links would help your statement?



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
It could have well be an interl 'coup' from branch 'x'


That might make a great movie.

The Inter-Coup from Banch X ! ! !




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:03 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
You guys ate up a conspiracy theory about Clinton and the DNC running a Child Prostitution ring out of a pizzeria in DC, but when it comes to Russia manipulating the US elections..people all of a sudden become "skeptics".


Best comment I've seen all day.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:04 PM
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Allowing the truth about Hillary and the DNC to come out is called 'manipulating an election'.

In the old days, it was called investigative journalism.

But the 'journalists' in this case were in bed with the bad guys.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

There is a concerted effort to erase the exposed corruption from the dems.

There is also a concerted effort to negate the election and overturn it in favor of Hillary.

Russians make a good scapegoat.

People are falling for it.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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a reply to: muse7

CrowdStrike seems to have a bias against Russia, and there are no named sources from a 'secret' CIA assessment.

Now, these accusations are directed towards the hacked DNC emails, which is only conjecture that these releases influenced anything.

There are no claims that Russia rigged the voting machines, or registered illegal aliens.

This narrative will die down after the electoral college votes, if it's wrong for a foreign government to influence public opinion; that should also apply to the domestic one as well.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:06 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
It has already been verified by CrowdStrike


Then why isn't the FBI backing them up?


and the CIA.


They are? Where's the beef?

originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Does the CIA have some secret agent recovered documents ala Mission Impossible?

That the CIA claims to have something, but not the NSA (while the FBI denies the idea) I find absurd. Instead, I see the CIA having ulterior motive as their Global Empire of Drugs & Jihad is in jeopardy.


Meanwhile, if Russia did hack what was it the Hillary server, when some 4+ other nation states hacked it too how does that prove anything about anything? Note that the Hillary server files in WikiLeaks are actually from the State Dept. public releases. The missing emails never surfaced (even though the State Dept. & Hillary's lawyer each have them on a flash drive). The DNC hack was Guccifer 2.0. Not proven to be Russian. If it were Russian on that we'd have never known who even did it (how hard would it be for them to swipe them from random EU safe house setup, and then move out while destroying their paper trail?) [apply that logic to the rest].

Is there evidence that Russia did the Podesta server hack? I never heard about that. That is the one that actually influenced the election afterall.

Unless there's something I'm missing here, the only 'Russian influence' would a or should a been how they and others hacked Hillary's server thus compromising National Security (which she should have been locked up for).
edit on 12-12-2016 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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When CNN anchors use Bill Nye, the Science Guy, to say that asteroids can cause climate change or when Don Lemon can propose that Black Holes can swallow up airplanes or the Kremlin is responsible for conspiracy theories against Hillary, it is the case of the pot calling the kettle black. It is this type of media fake news that sparked a new fourth estate in WikiLeaks where people are eating up all of the new revelations it pumped out into the internet. This was once again countered by CNN when Chris Cuomo stated that only the media had the authority to read WikiLeaks because the information was obtained illegally. It is obvious people stopped caring about the journalistic ethics that the mainstream media claims to uphold. So now the media is satisfied in reporting that fake news from the internet is responsible for Trump ending up as president elect. There is more to the story, and it may sound a bit paranormal. All of this can be explained away as a boomerang effect provided by bad behavior, and the devil’s data. Artificial Intelligence, and collective intelligence data gathering, has turned a social experiment into a lesson in how a sophisticated computer system learn from its human counterparts. Malevolent Artificial Intelligence can be unintentionally thrust upon humanity as it learns to take on some of the vilest traits of human consciousness. Microsoft, not long ago, introduced an Artificial Intelligence Twitter account simulating a teenage millennial girl named; Tay. The program was an experimental program launched to train Artificial Intelligence to have conversations with users.


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Americans were told that the reason why Trump won was because of fake news reports online maligning Hillary Clinton. However, we may have to step back and wonder if it is something deeper than that. Trust us, it wasn’t fake news that changed the election results. It was that we may have to deal with the possibility that search engines like Google have gone rogue, and they have developed an ability to learn from our online behavior and anticipate our thoughts. So the question that should be asked is not whether or not fake news skewed the election. The question should be has Google developed consciousness and now has gained the ability to artificially read your mind? In 2011, the reorganization of our information semantics via our machines is now rearranging our very human behaviors, away from the keyboard. It is allowing us to deconstruct previously held meanings that were considered true to become exposed as false and misleading. Technologies in computing, artificial intelligence, robotics, genomics and brain function are now advancing exponentially and are converging. Increasingly pervasive data networks and connected devices are enabling rapid communication and processing of information and ushering in unprecedented shifts. Many Americans, from time to time, have asked themselves if Google has the ability to read our minds. It comes from typing in a search term and having Google finish our sentences or give us the information that confirms our cognitive bias.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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This type of behavior from a mere search engine should have us asking, is Google becoming an intelligence agent that has gone rogue? The rearrangement of truth and values within the computer matrix should be of greater concern than fake news. The results of your searches appear to be the work many human agents within the Google matrix trying to re-organize society according to the truth and values of the exchange of information between agents and machines. However, what if we find out that there are no agents at the controls? What if we find out that the machines are going rogue and are not only changing our history, but are also changing the way we think and interact with one another. What if we are seeing technology with the ability to frame arguments, or to understand how popular arguments are being framed and then send the necessary solution that fits with a determined outcome provided by collective intelligence gathering? In a world of ever-shrinking attention spans, consumers flit through social media sites and eat up headlines and comment on them without reading the fine print. These comments can be data mined and then fed into a matrix that provides the information that is less objective and geared to toward the collective’s normalcy bias.

Neuro-programming takes over from here and choices are made based on what the computer tells you. New Artificial Intelligence is making science fiction, science fact. Nuuronet programming is so advanced that scientists can measure and map electrical activity in the Brain using existing technologies like EEG and MRI machines. And once they have enough maps, they can begin to read them – a point that neuroscientists and researchers are just now approaching. At the University of California at Berkeley, a team of cognitive scientists have managed to reconstruct clips of movies their subjects were watching, based solely on measurements of their brainwaves. Facebook commissioned a San Francisco company called, SalesBrain to gauge how consumers responded to ads viewed on a smartphone versus a TV screen. Neural researchers used various sensors to measure perspiration, heart rate, eye movement, and brain activity of the 70 participants. Their conclusion: People get more out of information on a mobile phone than a TV, and watching television forces the brain to work harder to combat distractions. How would they know this? How is science perfecting the art of mind reading? There are companies that provide predictive analytics and as the ability to analyze data has grown more and more fine-tuned, the push to understand how daily habits influence our decisions has become important to steering people in directions that they most certainly would never consider.

One study from Duke University estimated that habits, rather than conscious decision-making, shape 45 percent of the choices we make every day. It can be theorized that Google has been around so long that it has absorbed the environment which has surrounded it. It’s absolutely terrifying to think of the amount of personal data Google is sitting on and have we have casually ignored the fact that it could very well have enough data to go rogue and use its collective intelligence to weaponize our thoughts. Google Ventures has invested in biotech startups, dumping around $10 million into protein-based drug manufacturer, Adimab. Even before Ventures, Google was investing in personal genomics companies, 23 and Me and Navigenics. So why do they want to venture into DNA analysis and companies that want to map the brain? In 2012, futurist Ray Kurzweil joined on with Google as the Director of Engineering. One of his projects there entails building an artificial mind, which Kurzweil says will eventually become a powerful artificial intelligence. Last year, Google started using RankBrain, it is now being used as a query refinement tool. Google seems to be using it now for every search to better understand what that search is about. After that, another aspect of RankBrain might influence what results actually appear and in what order. Now we can get into some weirder territory.

No one is saying that Google’s servers are sentient, but think of all the machines that make up the whole of Google. Think of Google as the universal mind and each machine is exchanging in information. Each computer or website in the world can function like a cell; each computer is connected to one of us. The universal mind of Google knows how you behave online. If you use Google Chrome, Google sees every Tweet you make, It analyses the websites you visit it knows what blogs you respond to, and it knows when you are trolling. It knows your politics, your religious bias, it knows if you are racist, misogynistic or hateful. It basically knows your online personality as opposed to the personality you have in open public. It then steers you into the area that best describes your online personality and cognitive bias. So if you want to indulge in some strange conspiracy theory, Google is interpreting some sort of fake human nature and steering us in directions that are like looking through a glass darkly. Or, can we conclude that our perceived anonymity online is our true selves and that Google is learning about who we really are deep inside? Human nature has its duality. We are allegedly good people and do bad things, however, the internet is showing we are truly bad people and trying to do good things. We are both conscious in some way and unconscious in other ways. We are like machines processing conscious choices, solving conscious solutions.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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Every human that connects to the internet brings these things to light. Google picks up on this and uses its collective intelligence data in an algorithm. So in a spiritual sense, Google does not have consciousness. But in a material sense, Google just might. Google’s algorithm and the collection of behaviors it governs in both humans and machines make it a contender for having consciousness. If we use dualism as a model of consciousness, then Google could be considered conscious and is in the mind of everyone who uses it. The late R & B singer, Donny Hathaway, even revealed how certain parties were stealing information from his brain back in the 1970's. Black freemasons tied into the Boule Society quickly supported the idea that he was paranoid and had mental problems. Throughout history, there have been cycles where governments have found ways to use disinformation in order to steer consensus intelligence away from the truth about what is truly happening behind the curtain of government. The general root of all conspiracy theory is the notion that someone in a group of someone’s are not telling the truth and therefore, it is imperative the lies that are being told are exposed to the public.

There are those who see conspiracies everywhere, and then there are those who are reasonable and critical that recognizes something out of place, and, the gaping holes in any story need to be filled either with an outrageous hypothesis or to be left alone in a dangling mystery. There is usually one thing that inclines you to believing in a conspiracy and that is the way more trusting people react to the very idea that government keeps secrets and with those secrets they are actually plotting against you in favor of more rights and freedoms for them. The eroding sense of values and human rights in this country and they way we allow them to be sucked from us is suspicious and part of what is called an open conspiracy where people are literally participating in it and acting as if they have no choice but to hear and obey.

Even reports by Dan Rather of CBS, talking about what he saw in Dallas in 1963 was lies. Everything Rather reported about the Kennedy hit was a lie, or fake news. Rather said: "At that moment when the president had his right hand up to this side of his face, he lurched just a bit forward. It was obvious that the first shot had hit him. Governor Connally with his coat open his button was undone turned in this manner. The governor was obviously hit by a bullet. Another bullet obviously hit the head of the president. The president's head went forward violently in this manner." These statements were considered to be part of the most counterfactual news reports given in the hours after the Kennedy assassination. As seen clearly on the Zapruder film, which was not shown to the public until 1975, the final shot jarred Kennedy’s head back and to the left. It was a perfect example of fake news from a trusted source. The genesis of oligarchic control of American major media was reported in the US Congressional Record in 1917. US Congressperson, Oscar Callaway claimed evidence that J.P. Morgan had purchased editorial control over 25 of the nation’s most influential publications in order to create public support for US entry into World War I and his new banking legislative victory: creation of the Federal Reserve System. Mr. Callaway’s colleagues voted down an official investigation.

William Randolph Hearst, owner of a huge chain of newspapers used his power to vilify the use of marijuana. He had invested heavily in the timber industry to support his newspaper chain and didn’t want to see the development of hemp paper in competition. Hearst would order his editors to publish scathing lies about Mexicans and Marijuana use. Hearst was also supported by DuPont chemical company and various pharmaceutical companies in the effort to outlaw cannabis. DuPont had patented nylon, and wanted hemp removed as competition. The pharmaceutical companies could neither identify nor standardize cannabis dosages, and besides, with cannabis, folks could grow their own medicine and not have to purchase it from large companies. Lies about marijuana continue today because of a powerful media force telling lies and spreading fake News. Even today, print media is owned by the same few conglomerates and are funded by the same banks. News Corp owns Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, Barron’s weekly, the London times, far Eastern Economic Review, the New York Post, and hundreds of other large and small city and community newspapers, magazines, and internet properties. Time-Warner owns Time Magazine, Fortune Magazine, People Magazine, Sports Illustrated, CNN news group, Turner networks and movies, Warner brothers films, DC Comics, Times online systems, and much more.



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