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Why am I supposed to hate Russia?

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: jhn7537

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: network dude

It's a hang-over from when dinosaurs ruled the western political landscape, keeping entire populations in a state of perpetual terror via fear-based propaganda is an astounding control mechanism, especially for the weapons manufacturers.

These days, only The Hillary Clintonites continue the charade, the rest of us have woken up.

How can I save my little boy from Oppenheimer's deadly toy?
There is no monopoly on common sense
On either side of the political fence.
We share the same biology, regardless of ideology.
Believe me when I say to you,
I hope the Russians love their children too...


You're a very wise man, Sublimecraft. When you write, I read... And I agree, they try to keep us in a constant state of perpetual fear, and as we've evolved in our thinking, but they try to counter it by upping the stakes with false flags and the propaganda/rhetoric they spread as facts..


This idea of keeping the populace in a perpetual state of fear is valid and has a long history with administrations.

It's been clear that 'Climate Change' was intended to be that vehicle by the Globalist Elites...however, that program has not lived up to projected standards and is collapsing.

Going back to building up the Russian 'Boogeyman' may now be their fallback plan.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: UKTruth
To answer the question in the OP... you are supposed to hate Russia because Clinton lost.
It's that simple.


Or because they annexed Crimea...but hey, don't let current events get in the way of a political discourse...



Aaaaaand. . . . Obama did nothing about it.


Sanctions. We pushed and got the UN to agree with sanctions. Sanctions with the low price of oil is hurting the Russian economy. The other option was war.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: Pyle

*whew*

I'm just glad the UN gave us permission.

I guess harsh language is the next step?

Face it, Obama caved to Putin.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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I get called either a commie or socialist almost daily. We know all libs are commies at heart.

Russia is still a Marxist commie country ruled by communist, but now the Right wing, thanks to Trump wants to cozy up to Russia.


See your disconnect? Your foolish hypocrisy? Probably not....you are not to be trusted to make any kind of rational decision.
edit on 12-12-2016 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: network dude
I am almost 50, so I grew up in the heart of the cold war. I remember the fear, the rhetoric, the "commies". But what exactly is the reason we are supposed to be against them right now? I get that they spy on us. (I think it's possible we do a tiny bit of spying ourselves) I get that they have a strong military and enough nukes to blow up the world almost or more times than we can. (many more than 2) And I get that they have a different political spectrum. And seriously, if I am missing something, please enlighten me, this is a real question.

It just seems to me that a country as large and powerful as Russia is, would make a much better friend than an enemy. I'm in no way suggesting we open any locked doors to them or share any secrets, just that we stop the un-needed hate rhetoric. Again, if there is a legitimate reason for US vs. Them, please explain.


Me too. Cold war all throughout my childhood. Anyway...you shouldnt HATE anybody....but you CAN dislike someone or something.

Actually, Russia pre-Bolshevik-Communistic history...was a pretty interesting place...but my grandparents left there on the Austrian side in 1890's.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:18 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Pyle

*whew*

I'm just glad the UN gave us permission.

I guess harsh language is the next step?

Face it, Obama caved to Putin.




We got UN support to make it stronger. Just US sanctions alone would not have been enough.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: olaru12

See that's what all the sound-bite people think. It isn't ruled by Communists and hasn't been for a long time. Russia is controlled and run by the Russian Mafia. They are pervasive and entirely out in the open. Ask anyone who has actually been there (as opposed to spouting what they read online).



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: network dude

Because media elites tell you to. The propaganda model requires a bogeyman.


I'm not sure if I am in the minority here or this is some sort of cultural awakening, but as of late, I find myself questioning anything I hear from the MSM. That can't be healthy for a country and I hope like hell that it's just me. Otherwise, we are heading towards some real trouble in the very near future.


I assure you it is NOT just you. I used to be a news junkie but over the last couple years, especially the last 6 months or so, if I pause on ANY MSM source I just shake my head at the blatant propaganda being spewed from all sides.

Strange times to be alive for sure.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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Your question got me to thinking about something that may be related. There are many countries that we have been programmed to think of as our enemies.

Since America is in a serious decline and we are predicted to be fully bankrupt in the near future, how likely is a bankrupt country is going to remain a true world power?

There are several countries waiting with baited breath, to make the grand attack against America and take us down.

What master do we wish to lose to; China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia/Iran/ME or Russia?

Of course there are those of us that will fight to our death to prevent this from happening, but when the smoke clears, and if there is no United States left standing, what flag would you prefer to see flying?



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:31 AM
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This says it all...Russia is a useful villian.


Obama mocked Romney over Russia, but now he blames Russia for Trump

www.mcclatchydc.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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Now they're floating "illegitimate election". This is why I've been saying for years that the left is especially dangerous. They seem capable of rationalizing just about anything.




posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:36 AM
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a reply to: network dude


Don't be saying sensible things like that network dude, that is not the American way. We are supposed to hate communists even though they are just people like ourselves. You can't just throw sixty years of conditioning out of the window. All communists are bad people unless our corporations buy their products cheap and sell them to us and make money. Then they are all right.

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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: network dude

Because media elites tell you to. The propaganda model requires a bogeyman.


I'm not sure if I am in the minority here or this is some sort of cultural awakening, but as of late, I find myself questioning anything I hear from the MSM. That can't be healthy for a country and I hope like hell that it's just me. Otherwise, we are heading towards some real trouble in the very near future.


I assure you it is NOT just you. I used to be a news junkie but over the last couple years, especially the last 6 months or so, if I pause on ANY MSM source I just shake my head at the blatant propaganda being spewed from all sides.

Strange times to be alive for sure.


The MSM has enjoyed it's self-proclaimed position of authority...and NOW the populace is questioning that authority.

I see this as a good thing.
The Globalist Media Elite is seeing the power to control us falling through their fingers...and they will now be rabidly throwing out fear to the people in order to regain that control.

NOW...people are first tasting the MSM's pablum...before thoughtlessly gobbling it up...as was the case in the past.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: jtma508
a reply to: olaru12

See that's what all the sound-bite people think. It isn't ruled by Communists and hasn't been for a long time. Russia is controlled and run by the Russian Mafia. They are pervasive and entirely out in the open. Ask anyone who has actually been there (as opposed to spouting what they read online).





That could very well be. I would like some credible links confirming the Mafia now rules Russia.

However if true, I fail to see how a a Trump association with a criminal organization will benifit Us. oh wait...
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: network dude

I don't think "hate" really factors into it personally. As Mitch McConnell just said on live national television: "Russia is not our friend."

Does anyone seriously deny that Russia is trying to regain USSR-era hegemony in Eastern Europe and Central Asia? What is the likely impact on Europe, the United States and the rest of the world? What have the immediate consequences of their actions been in the last several years for their neighbors?

Let's look at just Ukraine and this goes to the points made by other posters about the "Russian reset."

In 1994, Russia, the United States and the UK signed agreements in Budapest (the Budapest Memorandum) to preserve the territorial integrity of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Following these agreements, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan shipped all of their Soviet nukes to Russia to be decomissioned. Ukraine also agreed to allow Russia to maintain its strategically important naval bases in Crimea. It should also be noted that Crimea is significant to Russia for its sea ports.

In 2004, the Russians backed Yanukovych (then Prime Minister), leader of the ethnic Russian, pro-Kremlin party, Party of Regions in the Presidential elections. The Kremlin sent its electioneers to assist. Yanukovych's opponent, Yushchenko, was poisoned with dioxin. This was almost certainly done by the Russian intelligence apparatus who has used dioxin to kill others. Yanukovych ended up winning but the election results were thrown out by the Ukrainian's Supreme Court because of the rampant vote fraud, tampering, attempted assinations, etc. So there was a runoff and Yushchenko won. He became President of Ukraine in January of 2005.

In March of 2005, it was revealed that Ukraine's national gas & oil company, Naftogaz, had been taking Gazprom's (Russia's state owned gas company) natural gas destined for the rest of Europe out of the pipelines running through Ukraine and using it for domestic purposes. In response, Russia cut off natural gas to Ukraine in January of 2006. Three days later, an agreement was reached and the gas was turned back on. Tensions subsided for a while until new disagreements over debt arose and then the gas was throttled and this time, the impact was felt in numerous European nations who experienced disruptions in their gas supplies (2008). In 2009, Ukraine wanted to violate their contract with the Russians by importing less natural gas then they promised though this might also have been because Naftogaz didn't stop stealing from the pipeline.

Meanwhile, there were agreements being made to allow Russia to maintain its Black Sea naval facilities in Crimea (2009). With the help of Paul Manafort, Yanukovych got elected and became President in 2010. He beat former-Yuschenko ally (and Prime Minister) Yulia Tymoshenko who had come into office and busted up a trade deal that cost a couple of oligarchs a good $3-4 billion — but I'm getting off on a tangent here — point being, she was anti-corruption. Tymoshenko ended up the victim of malicious prosecution and was imprisoned on trumped up corruption charges herself.

Yanukovych of course turned out to be as bad as was imagined and following massive protests which culminated in Yanukovych using snipers to assassinate protesters. Yanukovych had to flee the country. Putin sent in folks to extract his lap dog and bring him to Russia. That was in February of 2014 I believe. In the aftermath, Russia decided it was time to annex Crimea.

The annexation of Crimea by the Russians (which Trump was apparently unaware of given his own comments), resulted in sanctions against Russia who had in fact violated the 1994 agreement entirely.

That's just one country and I'm just highlighting a few things that have been taking place over a single decade. Geopolitics is simply too complex to reduce to the sort of short answers that will ever satisfy the people who don't have the time/interest to consider the context necessary to understand what's going on.
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posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 10:59 AM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: kelbtalfenek

originally posted by: UKTruth
To answer the question in the OP... you are supposed to hate Russia because Clinton lost.
It's that simple.


Or because they annexed Crimea...but hey, don't let current events get in the way of a political discourse...



Aaaaaand. . . . Obama did nothing about it.


I thought this was supposed to be about "why we should hate Russia" not "why we should moan about Obama's action or inaction?" Silly me.

But if you want to go down that road...what would Putin's biggest pumpkin faced supporter do about it? Oh...I know...Nothing.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: olaru12


That could very well be. I would like some credible links confirming the Mafia now rules Russia.


Start here. Further reading.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: olaru12


I've been there. I've seen it first-hand. Ask people who actually live there about the Russian Mafia. Not sure you're gonna find them advertising themselves on the interweb.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:14 AM
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I have no doubt in my mind that the current regime in Russia wants more power, more control, more land, more....whatever. I can also say the US, in it's actions of intervening in other countries affairs just might be doing so for a reason other than trying to help an oppressed people. We just might have some economic goals and use the old "freeing the oppressed" saying as a means to an end. I speak to people for many walks of life and I have yet to find a group that loves war and wants to engage in more of it. (granted I don't consort with politicians)

If Putin could smile and hug a few babies, then stab the US in the back to gain some political prize here, he likely would. But to pretend that those in power here would not do the same thing is laughable to a degree I'm not sure we have seen as of yet.

It just seems that all the reasons we are supposed to fear Russia are more propaganda than anything, and as with life, it's much easier to get by knowing you have more friends than enemies.



posted on Dec, 12 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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a reply to: network dude

You shouldn't hate Russia as a country, you should hate the criminal regime - the Kremlin, because it has the worst qualities of the US government, but on steroids. If you hate the US government for it's bad qualities and admire Russia's, your a hypocrite. It's not about hating a country, it's about not tolerating criminal, anti-freedom regimes all around the world.
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