Black Americans Suspect HIV Plot

I'm not sure which Forum this goes in ...
I'd dismiss this as paranoia ... but there was Tuskegee,
wasn't there? Hmmmm ...

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Black Americans suspect HIV plot
guardian.co.uk
Gary Younge in New York
Wednesday January 26, 2005
The Guardian

Excerpt:

Almost half of all African-Americans believe that HIV, the virus that causes Aids, is man-made, more than a quarter believe it was produced in a government laboratory and one in eight think it was created and spread by the CIA, according to a study released by Rand Corporation and the University of Oregon.

The paper's authors say these views are obstructing efforts to prevent the spread of HIV among African-Americans, the racial group most likely to contract the virus.

"The findings are striking, and a wake-up call to the prevention community," Laura Bogart, a behavioural scientist who co-authored the study, told the Washington Post.

"The prevention community has not addressed conspiracy beliefs in the context of prevention. I think that a lot of people involved in prevention may not be from the community where they are trying to prevent HIV."

African-Americans are 13% of the US population but account for 50% of new HIV infections, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention.

African-American women constituted 73% of new female HIV cases in 2003.

The study, which was supported by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, also revealed a slight majority believe a cure for Aids is being withheld from the poor; 44% think the people who take the new medicines for HIV are being used as government guinea pigs, and 15% believe Aids is a form of genocide against black people. The responses barely fluctuated according to age, income, gender or education level.
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Seriously, I doubt that there is a massive HIV plot by
our government against Black America. HIV was 'discovered'
when ??? in the late 1970s? Bill Clinton was in office for 8
years. If there was a way that he could be the saviour of
Black America by 'finding' a cure to HIV (and thus being sure
of the minority and gay votes for the dems) he would have
done it. It wasn't there for him to 'find' because there was
no anti-black-america-HIV-plot. At least, I don't see the
evidence of anything like that. Perhaps time and history
will prove that there is one ... but I doubt it.

Part of the HIV plot 'evidence' presented is the high incidence
of HIV among black americans. Well ... perhaps more blacks are
leading lifestyles that allow for HIV contraction?? Gee,
could it just be something as simple and as obvious as that?
YES! Everyone in America knows the risks of unprotected
sex and sharing drug needles. If you take a chance .. you
could catch HIV. It's that simple. Use the brain God gave you.
Use the self control that humans have. We aren't just wild
animals, we are humans with brains and intellect and are
capable of self control.

I'm sure there will be some out there who will blame the
US government because of (as they see it) poor 'health care'
and not getting enough condoms or whatever to the poor.
But that doesn't fly for two reasons. #1 - White people are poor
too (and hispanic, and native American indian, etc.) and their
HIV rates are still much lower and #2 - It's not the governments
responsibility to hand out condoms to people who have no self
control. Micromanagement, by the US government, in the bedrooms
of Americans isn't what we pay the government to do.

So, we are back to this ... Is HIV a plot against black Americans,
or is it just simply a lifestyle choice by people that causes the illness?

Flame away ...



[edit on 1/27/2005 by FlyersFan]

In a counrty that will probably never see a black presidend while i am alive..

That kind of level of racism, or to suspect that kind of level of racism is not outrageous imo.

Look at where the us was getting its genetech from after 1945... so the idea that Eugenics came came over at the same time is not crazy. Add to that an extensive Biowarfare program and hey presto... the Isrealis were talkin about race specific virusses just recently.

Personmally i am on the fence on this one.. of course it could be man made but who knows, and more to the point it would be the next biggest secret after E.T. life. Just imagine the ideological "bubble" that would pop if we suddenly had to realize AIDS is man made?

Big "pop"!

Originally posted by Corinthas
Personally i am on the fence on this one..

Well Corinthas ... we agree???

Seriously, like I said, I would dismiss this, but there was
Tuskegee wasn't there? Common sense says that there
is no HIV plot, and that it's just bad lifestyle choices that
have caused elevated HIV numbers in the black population.
But racism isn't 'common sense', is it?? hmmmm

Pres. Bush just promised multi-billions of our tax $$$
to fight AIDS in Africa. I'm sure that if our gov. started it,
then it certainly wouldn't be spending all those billions
to fight it. AND I'm sure that if our gov't started it back
in the early 70's ... then Clinton would have 'found' the
cure and thus bought votes. Or Bush would have 'found'
the cure and bought votes. Neither did.

This is quite a common opinion and honestly I can see their side, but I also would like to think that mankind hasn't stooped that low yet either, so I guess I am on the fence with you too on this.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Pres. Bush just promised multi-billions of our tax $$$
to fight AIDS in Africa. I'm sure that if our gov. started it,
then it certainly wouldn't be spending all those billions
to fight it.

Oh yes they would if the money was being pupmed back in to pharmaceutical companies with which they have ties... thats how govt money is spent.

Look at iraq.. they pumped up saddam in th 80's coz they knew theyd be taking him down again in 10 or 20 years. Got money form sales to saddam and money from govt. again to solve the problem. Win/ Win situation

didn't the gov't also primarily deal blacks the sickle cell? anyway about he hiv...there is not a shread of evidence that hiv causes aids...but that is another discussion and i'm sure there are some threads about that here

I read somewhere about this theory, and it is quite plausible, that during the '70s or early '80s, I'm not sure exactly, when the vaccine for hepatitus B (or was it C) was being given, that this was the opportunity to test a new form of biological weapon on the gay community. It is possible that this was concentrated on the African-American gay community in particular. Unaware of their infection, these unsuspecting people spread the virus quickly, and soon it was out of control. The theory goes that it was an attempt to curb the problem in the ghettos and slums which were mainly occupied by African-Americans.
They were seen as the problem.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Corinthas
Personally i am on the fence on this one..

AND I'm sure that if our gov't started it back
in the early 70's ... then Clinton would have 'found' the
cure and thus bought votes. Or Bush would have 'found'
the cure and bought votes. Neither did.

Why would they have the cure if they were going to use it as biological weapon......were they going to use it on enemy, then give them the cure....??

Originally posted by celticniall
Why would they have the cure if they were going to use it
as biological weapon......were they going to use it on enemy,
then give them the cure....??

I'm definately NOT an expert in bio-warfare... but from what
I've read, usually they produce the germ or whatever and a
cure at the same time. That way if something happens then
they can cure themselves and leave the enemy to die.

USUALLY.

The hood is in denial about their own lifestyle, especially the females getting children from multiple fathers....

It was easy to condemn white gays as source, but now it seems they have to look in their own backyard....

It is true however that there are several strains of HIV , for some strains the white man is better protected through the higher occurance of the DELTA-32 in the population


"The PBS program called "Secrets of Death, Mystery of the Black Plague" discussed the latest research on the bubonic plague and its relationship with the AIDS epidemic. The bubonic plague struck Europe beginning in the year 1347 and when it finally came to an end, one third of the Europeans were dead. The bubonic plague is caused by a bacterium called Yersinia pestis. It attacks the body by invading the white blood cells and using them as a host to breed in. This is very unusual because the white blood cells are the cells that fight off bacterial and viral infections.

The mortality rate for the bubonic plague was very high. It was almost an instant death sentence. But some individuals showed full or partial immunity to the disease. Research by Dr. Stephen O’Brien (National Institute of Health) showed a correlation between this immunity and a mutated CCR5 gene, delta 32. This mutation prevented the plague from entering the individual’s white blood cells.

AIDS has some similarities to the Black Plague, more than just the lethality rate. AIDS tricks the immune system using the same pathways as the plague bacterium, targeting and taking over the white blood cells. Like the bubonic plague, some individuals possess full or partial immunity to the AIDS virus. This small group of HIV long-term non-progressors represents approximately 5% of the population. Dr. Bill Paxton (Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center) showed the blocking mechanism that prevents the AIDS virus from binding to the white blood cells was – you guessed it – delta 32.




[edit on 27-1-2005 by Countermeasures]

Originally posted by Countermeasures
The hood is in denial about their own lifestyle,
AIDS has some similarities to the Black Plague,

You are right about being in denial about lifestyle.
It's not a popular or a PC thing to say, but it's true.

REF your great info about AIDs having similarities to the plague ...
When I was in the army I had a vacination against the plague.
Considering that AIDS has similarities ... I wonder if 'they' are
looking at the plague for clues for a shot against AIDs.

Wassup all,

I'm new to this site so bear with me here. I have a special interest in this topic because I have written 2 research papers on AIDS/HIV. However, none of that establishment-backed info holds a torch to all that I have recently learned through alternative media.

First off, I love Flyerfan's covert racism. "Maybe it's their choice of lifestyle. We have BRAINS and self control, we're not ANIMALS." Please. Why don't you come out and call us monkeys.

I'm not suggesting that some black Americans don't lead this kind of lifestyle. But please don't pretend that members of my community are the only ones who do so. I mean, anytime you do a search for porn in a search engine, almost all the links generically go to white porn of various sorts. But, that doesn't mean non-black people are hypersexual, right? The noticeably higher new rates of infection among black Americans, who make up a small fraction of the US population, is just a result of our reckless lifestyle. Right.

And for the person who says the hood is in denial, I disagree totally with that. How in the hell can you live in the hood and not know that the situation is bad there? Oh, I'm sorry, only black people are on welfare, only black people are promiscuous, only black people share dirty needles. (Hey, I thought black people had the monopoly on crack)

By the way, I'm sure you people also feel that the CIA-run drug empire (see war on drugs) is another baseless "conspiracy theory." I'm sure you're also unaware that the CIA, in their own documents, admit that they "accidentally" brought in a ton of nearly PURE coc aine in 1990 (hey, it's easy to overlook a ton of snow when you're coming back from South America).

But anyway, back to the topic. Suppose the black Americans polled are wrong. Suppose we do need a scapegoat for the pandemic ravaging our community. If this is all true, then what do we make of the following?

1. There are multiple strains of HIV (they actually admit this). What they don't tell you is that the first cases of AIDS in Africa showed up 5 YEARS after it was here in America. Also, the strains in Africa are different (generally) than the strains here. Tell me, how does a disease that supposedly came from monkeys in Africa come over here 5 years BEFORE it "originates" in Africa? Hmmm....

2. Some of the establishment-backed molecular biologists claim that HIV was in the human genome since the 1930's. So, if this is true, explain how this dormant virus suddenly became active in gay white Americans, then in heterosexual black Africans 5 years later. (Wait, it started in Africa, I forgot).

3. The mainstream story makes no sense (as usual). If one monkey bites one African, who then bones his wife and a couple of hookers, who then bone their clients, how do we suddenly see MILLIONS of people infected with the virus? Even if you assume that transmission occurs 100% of the time during intercourse (which is more like 30-40%), this is quite an exponential growth rate of infection. If HIV was airborne this might be more believable, but it was supposedly initially transmitted primarily as an STD. (Oh, I forgot, black people are sex-addicted animals with no self-control, so that explains it).

"Common sense" tells us that the idea that the US government would deliberately create HIV/AIDS is ludicrous. On the contrary, common sense would tell us the opposite.

Our government keeps yelling, "Terrorism, terrorism, homeland security, bioterrorism." At the same time, some of their top scientists are, at this very moment, working on biological weapons, and have been doing so for decades (see eugenics, any top secret government activity, etc.). But hey, if they've been working on this type of stuff for so long and "new" diseases emerge, it's all a coincidence.

Corinthas (sorry if I misspelled it) is right on the money. Israel and other countries are developing ethno-specific bioweapons.

The WHO has been caught again and again administering "contaminated" vaccines to unsuspecting people (sterilizing agents to Mexican and Nicaraguan women, cancer viruses to various people, etc.).

The US government has a "tendency" to release classified documents concerning top secret tests on the American public (that's you and me) decades after they have done it. For example...

-In 1968, they sprayed people in NYC (regardless of race) with either nerve gas or bacteria, I can't recall for sure right now.

-They sprayed clouds of virulent bacteria in the skies of San Francisco, making a number of people sick and even killing some.

-Then there's the good ol' Tuskegee incident, which you all acknowledge. Btw, this thing went on for 40 YEARS (1932-72) before they finally shut it down. When some of the men sought medical treatment, they either denied anything was wrong, gave them BS pills to take, or even denied them treatment. (Hey, it was done to document the long-term effects of syphilis, so so what if some were sacrificed. We're all about promoting the collective good of the majority here). But hey, that was in the past, I'm sure they wouldn't do it again...

If you still don't believe me, look at the wonderful track record they have with the military. If they're sadistic enough to experiment on their own people, what makes you think they wouldn't try to eradicate a race of people who have been through much drama over the centuries, despite our contributions to society. Well, here's some more goodies for ya...

-They've been giving our troops vaccines for a long time. (They seem to love using vaccines as a way to get us) In fact, they make it a point to experiment new drugs and agents on us (citizens and military) BEFORE they use them on enemies. Sounds crazy, huh? (Now I disagree with you Flyersfan, but if they did give you bad vaccines when you were in the army, I truly am sorry. I support our military, and it sickens me when they do those kinds of things to them).

-Recently, the whole DU (depleted uranium) thing broke. They admit that they use it in some US ammunition, but don't worry, the government claims the risks are low. Tell that to the tens of thousands of troops coming home sick from the stuff.

-Remember Agent Orange? This stuff's a nasty carcinogenic, originally designed as an herbicide, that was sprayed on a bunch of people during the Vietnam War. They ADMIT that they sprayed our own troops with the stuff. I have a friend whose dad was sprayed with it. Talk about freedom.

Honestly, I could go on forever about our loving, benevolent government because this crap goes on forever. But we'er talking about AIDS here. I just wanted to establish that the government is quite capable of such a thing.

Personally, I am 95% sure that AIDS was designed to specifically attack black people. Sure, it can take anybody, but seriously, the numbers speak for themselves. It's a fact that about 8% of the white population is immune to HIV (by the way, Dr. Robert Gallo and others who were part of the 1971 Special Cancer Virus Research program that produced HIV made it a point to dub the virus HUMAN immunodeficiency virus. This was to hide the fact that they engineered it using cross species blends of retroviruses).

If this wasn't enough, HIV is just the tip of the iceberg. West Nile virus, ebola, and SARS are all viruses that were most likely produced in a lab. Oh, if you think ethno-specific bioweapons are fake and that there's no AIDS plot against blacks, I bet you'd never believe that SARS was designed to be Asian specific. (Look all this up if you don't believe me).

Look, they admit that they ROUTINELY produce recombinant viruses in order to "better be able to study the virus of interest." Right. You combine smallpox and ebola, anthrax and flu, whatever (I came up with those, I'm not sure which viruses they actually combine), because you want to study a disease. In the process, you create a new supervirus that has great potential as a bioweapon, give me a break.

There's a guy (can't recall his name) who's suing the US government for doing this. After a load of appeals, guess what the courts had to say about the origin of the HIV virus? They said it's origin is a "frivolous" matter. That's funny, a leading official with the WHO agreed, saying that the origin is not important to science. But, I thought they were seeking a cure for AIDS, wouldn't you want to know where it came from?

Look, I know all this info is radical, I know. I didn't believe it when I first learned about it. But after real research, you learn that something is up. The reason they want to discredit this survey is because they didn't think we'd be smart enough to figure it out. (Black Americans have suspected the government in this since 1990. Black Africans have known about this even before we knew. The same guy who's suing the government discovered a flow chart that proves the government made HIV, and the African press put it on the front page of newspapers for 4 days straight.)

But why, you might ask. Even if this is true, why would they want to kill the black race? It's simple. They don't want just the black population trimmed. They want the WORLD population cut down by 85-95%!!!!!!!

Don't believe that, I know. There's no reason that many world class scientists keep talking about population reduction. The UN doesn't have population control plans. There's no way they would release plague after plague to trim down our numbers. Sure.

I had a professor who OPENLY said he wished 90% of the world's population were gone. He OPENLY said, during lectures, that he hoped that ebola, which is 90% fatal, would evolve to become airborne and wipe out 9 out of 10 people on Earth. Incredible.

One last thing before I go. I don't know if anyone knows about this, but a LOT of microbiologists have been mysteriously dying these past few years (actually, this has been happening since the 80s, but it's really accelerated in recent years). These have been prominent, world-class people in the field. World-class. Why are all these top notch scientists dying? Makes you wonder.

The bottom line is this: the government created AIDS to kill blacks as part of a bigger population control plan. People who suggest that we black Americans need to check ourselves need to check yourselves and the noble, loving, generous government you think would be incapable of such a thing.

How many people die from AIDS in the USA every year? Isnt it something less then 15,000 people now..

The Flu kills more poeople then AIDS does yearly at about 20,000.

WOW ITS A CONSPIRACY! IT WILL ONLY TAKE 15 BILLION YEARS for AIDS to wipe out 95% of the earths population.

Congratulations at being a total lunatic truthseeka. Next time id like scientific proof, sources, and all the facts before you make such a claim.

But really it makes no sense that we would be trimming the population by 20,000 people yearly and expect to wipe out all the blacks or asians for example. Im sure whoever did use bio weapons could get away with a much higher death toll then 20,000.

But I read the thing about the microbiologists, that is interesting, but im not sure how many microbiologists there are in the world to say that the majority of them go missing or have bad things happen to them.

HIV is manmade. Blacks are paranoid in thinking they were the only target.

Originally posted by truthseeka
Look, I know all this info is radical, I know. I didn't believe it when I first learned about it.

This isn't radical at all. What's radical is that the majority of the american population either believes blindly that those in the upper income bracket really care about the status of the working class beyond the fact that there needs to be one, or don't even consider it, though they are day in and day out subjected to its sometimes arbritary rules regulations and consequences(good and bad, though the good somehow seems to be the nice gushy feeling one gets for "being good" or some other pre-conditioned response).

What's radical is America went to war in Iraq for fear of weapons of mass destruction and just recently budgeted to make room for their further research and development of said weapon class.

What's radical is that Americans allow the government to force-medicate them through fluoride in the water. Fluoride is an active poison that leads to cumulative health damage in large doses. Guess what? Fluoride in innocent amounts is found in all most everything. A bit here in there adds up. Source

Considering all this, I would find it very possible that bio-weapons have been developed for the population........Sars, Aids, Flu, Mad Cow, etc.; choose your three letter word for easy to remember scare tactic. None of these afflictions by it self can do the job. But it would seem that they are all out there together, now wouldn't it?

But, then again, maybe my definition of "radical" needs brushing up...........

[edit on 10-2-2005 by MemoryShock]

[edit on 10-2-2005 by MemoryShock]

truthseeka no disrespect however the black on black homicide rate takes a bigger toll then hiv does.
I think if they were going to make a virus to target a racial group it would be more efficiant then HIV is.
not only that the cost of treating hiv patients is a lot we are talking around $2000 a month for this kind of care and thats not even in the final stages.

its as simple as this if the virus finds away into your body its going to take it no matter what color you are of how much money you have.

I am not a racist myself, but everybody knows that AIDS is a man made virus designed to eliminate black people. 7

Harsh but true!!!

MemoryShock, I like your style, stay informed, potna.

Now, Noctu, I have to respectfully disagree with you. But, I do give you props for placing the blame back on us blacks where it belongs.

Seriously, though, you are wrong. It is well documented that heart disease and tobacco-related illnesses(or other cancers) kill more Americans than anything right now. Sorry, but even mainstream media admits that violent crime (including murder, black-on-black or otherwise) is decreasing. Makes you wonder why they need so many prisons...

So, there is no way that black-on-black crime is killing more black Americans than AIDS. Even if this was true, how do you explain the much higher death toll in Africa? I guess this type of homicide is prevalent anywhere you find black people.

On the real, though, all that stuff I said is real. And no, this isn't totally about race. Like I said, they want most of us on Earth gone, simple as that. The fact remains that HIV was created to kill people, especially blacks. Just because it's black-specific doesn't mean it can't kill anyone. Like MemoryShock said, all these designer viruses still aren't getting the job done for them, so that's why they keep working on newer goodies for us (btw, they've made a new form of mousepox, which is 98% fatal in mice, to a form that affects ALL mammals...talk about a super virus).

And as for the cost of AIDS treatment, do you think the government is hurt by it??? It's always taxpayers like me who foot the bill for stuff like this. Besides, who always wins from drug treatment funds? The pharmaceutical companies, of course. I bet you had no idea that the treatments for AIDS kill more people than AIDS itself (I am 1000% sure of this, because HIV itself never kills anyone, it's always the rare pneumonias or colds that do ya in). Oh yeah, the gay white men in Manhattan got a nice double whammy; the "Hepatitis B vaccines" they got were laced with HIV AND a virus that causes Kaposi's Sarcoma, a skin cancer quite common in AIDS patients. That's why it was originally called the "gay man's cancer" when it first started showing up.

So, don't think we black Americans are paranoid or are looking for someone else to blame...we're just wising up to the fact that the US government is out to get us. History doesn't lie....

Yo, Ritual, I just saw your post.

Thank you. I didn't realize that I was a total lunatic. My bad. I thought I was sane.

Well, I must say, even if your extremely low number of 15,000 deaths per year in the US is true, what does that mean? Tell the MILLIONS of Africans who die each year that it's not a big deal. Tell them that it's all natural.

But you, though, you must be a super genius. I'm not sure if you said 15 billion years or people, but either way, your kinda slow. My bad, ur real slow. If you were saying 15 billion years, sorry potna, the earth will be long gone by that time. If you were saying 15 billion people, well, brainiac, it will take more than 40 years for the population to get that high. By then, AIDS won't be as virulent as it is now. Oh, but I'm sure you know that, Mr. Rhode's Scholar...

Just look up anything that I have said in a search engine. I have nothing to gain from making this stuff up. If that ain't enough for you, feel free to post a reply and I'll gladly provide you with some REAL info. Sorry, it won't be the typical out-of-africa, monkey-to-human, new-virus-out-of-nowhere-despite-thousands-of-years-of-coexistence crap that you're used to. You're a prime example of the power of American propaganda. Wait, my bad, you are the epitome of genius, I apologize. I hope I can grow up to be just as witty and insightful as you. Keep those super synapses firin!!!

Originally posted by truthseeka
Well, I must say, even if your extremely low number of 15,000 deaths per year in the US is true, what does that mean? Tell the MILLIONS of Africans who die each year that it's not a big deal. Tell them that it's all natural.

I'd have to agree with that. While the amount of people in America infected with AIDs is steady, the amount of people being infected in Africa is increasing at an unbelievable pace, and at this point, it could wipe out a big chunk of Africa is a couple of decades.


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