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Rolling Stone Magazine: Trump is 'an unqualified man-boy'...'impending American fascism'

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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:23 AM
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originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

originally posted by: introvert
I'd say Rolling Stone has it right.

Trump is a disaster waiting to happen.


The best disaster to ever happen! His disaster level destruction of Hillary and every fake news site owned by the leftists will "Live in infamy"
EVERY Blow a knock down blow. Creates more jobs with one phone call than O'busted has in 8 years.

I can't wait to see what he tears down next, that the left holds dear.
MAGA!


It's tough to respond to someone that obviously swims in propaganda. Do you believe everything you are told if it fits your confirmation bias?

Tell me, how many jobs has Trump created with one phone call?




posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: Profusion

We know Trump named as his national security adviser a man who, days before the election, promulgated a conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton and sex crimes with children. (But not "Pizzagate," yet another conspiracy theory involving Clinton and child sex crimes – it was Flynn's son and chief of staff who tweeted about that one.) We also know that national security adviser called Islam a "political ideology" and said the religion is like a "malignant cancer."

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No one can predict the future – we learned that lesson the hard way a month ago. But if you were to imagine what impending American fascism would look like, you couldn't place the pieces on the board any more neatly than they've been placed in the last year.

SOURCE


I think the days of Rolling Stone being "hip" are long gone. Being politically biased disqualifies one from being hip in my opinion. Before anyone calls me politically biased, I want to point out that I'm politically neutral. I have an extensive posting history that proves that.

The article linked above is mostly irrelevant or ridiculously slanted and even inaccurate information. I think it's noteworthy for being as brash as it is.

Incidentally, Islam is a political ideology. Its goal is world domination. That is inherently political. The characterization of Islam as being like a "malignant cancer" is correct in my view.

Muslim States Ban LGBT Groups From UN Meeting

'Selling' Children Is a Radical Form of Religion

Should we be surprised that TPTB are lenient on Muslim extremism?


It is very telling when people have their shorts twisted by an opinion piece in a decidedly left leaning publication. I too think Trump is making very poor choices for his cabinet, but just like the author of the article, that is only my opinion. If this is the kind of thing that people are referring to as fake news, the 1st Amendment is in serious jeopardy under a Trump administration. Again only my opinion.
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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:34 AM
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originally posted by: ErrorErrorError
Lol
Yeah, Rolling Stone is a rag tag, Will Smith is not funny anymore, Robert De Niro is too old.. Everyone criticising Donny is pretty much worthless,right ?

But when Time magazine crowns Donny as person of the year than Trumptards make 2 threads about it.
(funny thing, Time magazines person of the year award was won by Hitler, Bin Laden and Al Baghdadi were nominated aswell. Bin Laden won it almost.)


The cognitive dissonance is real.

Trump supporters main strategy - attack anything that doesn't fit THEIR narrative.

Time magazine? Ya, you're cool.
Rolling Stones? Rah rah rah fake outrage it's an outrage!!1!



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: BlueMule
If it turns out they are right, and trump goes all fascism on your fellow Americans are you guys gonna stick up for your fellow Americans or are you gonna go all Hitler youth.


I laugh every time someone try to link Trump with Nazis, fascists or Hitler. You got no clue what are you talking about. My family went through WW2 and some of them were part of the resistance and fought Nazis and gave their lives.


Me too. I laugh all the time when people compare the U.S. Federal government to Nazi's.

Unfortunately, we are actually correct.

I laugh when people get bent out of shape with Trump/Hitler comparisons then go full retard with the "Nazi liberal blue shirts."



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:58 AM
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You're absolutely right, Op, Rolling Stone ceased to be relevant a long time ago.
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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
as i said before, trump can't do much of any thing without congress. if he gets to crazy with eo's and ea's, as much as ryan and mcConnell dislike like him they will override him or just not give him the money to do them with.

and with out money, the alphabet agents aren't going to work for free.


He can do a lot of twittering.

And a lot of people have a lot of guns in this country...



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 12:08 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Ohanka
It is rather difficult to equate Trump with Fascism.

Fascism is decidedly left-of-center in terms of economics for one, and I haven't heard Trump come out in support of nationalisation of all major industries.



Apparently, you don't know much about fascism.


Unfortunately I do. Fascism began as a Nationalist alternative to the theory of International Socialism which dominated the Anti-Communist Socialist Parties at the time.

It opposed Capitalism, International Socialism and Communism.

If one is to use the standard that Capitalism is a decidedly right wing ideology and that Socialism/Communism (not interchangeable) are Left wing ideology then Fascism is undeniably left of the center.

The Idea that Fascism was a right wing ideology is political fiction crafted by International Socialists and Communists that it was a puppet of the Capitalist powers that be, which couldn't be further from the truth.

Interestingly the Nazis (who shouldn't really be compared to the Fascists, not the Hitlerist faction anyway) also spun the lie that the International Socialists and Communists were also puppets of the Capitalist powers that be. Again a ludicrous statement with no basis in reality.

This is not a defence of Fascism by any means, just facts and clarification.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 12:22 PM
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He can do a lot of twittering.
And a lot of people have a lot of guns in this country...


yes he can, and the kind people that would that would follow a fascist do have guns. but there are far more people that wouldn't follow a fascist both in the military and civilaians that wouldn't put up with that sh@@ and there would be a bunch of dead skinheads, aryan nation, kkk, white supremeist and any other ____ up group you want to name. that sh@@ wouldn't pass here in the U.S. any more.


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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

You're about half right. I'd say you need to dig a bit deeper than just the wiki pages if you really want to understand fascism.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 12:51 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

i wonder how can all these news outlets and mentalists can foresee Trump's impending doom months before he assumes office, yet none could see the actual debacle of the Obama administration through out the entire 8 years....

oh yea, sounds like another cow dung piece by cow dung.

a lot of people have their fingers crossed for Trump to be a disaster... wishful thinkers.

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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: BlueMule

I would expect us to ban together with our fellow citizens, and stand against a single man if that even remotely came to be even a sliver of possibility....i think trump supporters are more for everyones rights than most people think.

Just my 3 cents



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Fortunately this was one of the periods we covered at university.

However no one wants to read an essay on the finer details of political theory in the 1920s and 30s on a conspiracy website, so I will not pursue it any further.

fact of the matter is Trump is not a Fascist.

Populist Nationalism is not interchangeable with Fascism.

Calling Trump a Fascist, in my eyes, is as ridiculous as someone decrying Obama as a "Socialist" or "Communist". An absurd comparison attempting to decry the opposition by using scary words instead of an actual argument.

There are a fair few things that Trump could be criticised for at this stage, his recklessly hostile statements against Iran would be one of mine, but accusing him of being a Fascist would just make you wrong.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

This IS the sme magazine that published a completely fake story about sytemic gang rapes on the campus of the University of Virginia but stuck by it because they knew it was happening even if they madde up their story.

I think we all know what to do with this story.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: Profusion


Your political neutral with all that Islamophobic stuff and blatant pro Trump statements

I don’t think so

Millions of sincere Muslims pray 5 times a day, fast and give to the poor and that’s not a religion.

A small group of radicals often funded by the US and the Saudi/Wahhabi sect often supported by the US run amuck; that’s not all of Islam.

You KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM to agree with that ignoramus.

As for Rolling Stone, this is a great article that exposes Trump's dangerous cabinet that will lead to a civil war type atmosphere in the US.






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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: Ohanka

I don't think Trump is a fascist either, but some of what he says and advocates does appeal to a fascist ideology. An ultra-nationalist tone mixed with economic populism that appeals to those disenfranchised by the out-of-touch liberal leadership.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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We know Trump has named as his chief counselor a man who runs a website read and appreciated by the most virulent racists in America,


We know Trump named as his national security adviser a man who, days before the election, promulgated a conspiracy theory about Hillary Clinton and sex crimes with children.


We know Trump nominated for attorney general a man the Senate refused to confirm as a federal judge for being too racist in 1986,


We know he appointed a secretary of housing and urban development who knows nothing about housing or urban development.

We know he appointed an education secretary who has made it her life's work to dismantle her state's public school system.

We know he's appointed a Treasury secretary who foreclosed on thousands of homes during the housing crisis.

We know he's appointed an EPA administrator who has sued the EPA to stop it from protecting the environment and bragged that he's a "leading advocate against the EPA's activist agenda."

We know he's inexperienced and ignorant enough to cause genuine harm to America's interests.

Trump's recent call with Taiwan's leader caused a genuine international furor.

He endorsed the campaign of extrajudicial murder the president of the Philippines launched against his country's drug trade. These are irresponsible actions with real consequences.


www.rollingstone.com...

That’s some record to have confidence in


The election of Donald Trump may turn out to be the worst thing in the History of this country


God help us because were going down with this person in the White House

Thanks for alerting us to this brilliant piece

Job well done!




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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Any bets he does something that's totally illegal or causes a major problem for the U.S. in which congress will have no other choice but to impeach him?



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: Ohanka
It is rather difficult to equate Trump with Fascism.

Fascism is decidedly left-of-center in terms of economics for one, and I haven't heard Trump come out in support of nationalisation of all major industries.

My c1994 Webster's Dictionary defines fascism this way:

a governmental systme led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

My c2000 Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Encyclopedia:

Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal democratic values are denigrated. 20th century fascism arose partly out of fear of the rising power of the lower classes and different from contemporary communism (as practiced under J. Stalin) by its protection of the corporate and landowning powers and preservation of a class system. The fascist governments that ruled Italy (1922-43), Germany (1933-45), and Spain (1939-75) were led by charismatic politicians (B. Mussolini, A. Hitler, F. Franco), who represented to their publics the strength that could rescue their nation from chaotic political and economic conditions. Japanese fascists (1936-45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and reinforced the virtues of subordination to the state and personal sarifice. See also totalitarianism.

Ok, so here're the earmarks I can see:

  1. * Governmental system led by a dictator
  2. * Subordination of the individual will to the state's authority; esp. the leader
  3. * Suppression of opposition and criticism
  4. * Martial virtues (military?) are celebrated, while liberal democratic values are denigrated.
  5. * Strong government control/ownership of corporations
  6. * Aggressive nationalism; emphasizing sacrifice; and maybe some racism

I can see the reason Trump is thought of as fascist. But this is like diagnosing yourself or reading a fortune cookie. It always seems "right". Especially if you're already left leaning--you'll not be critical.

Given that list, I can see comparisons being made with any authoritarian government, since obedience to the state is a common denominator. It's right or left. For example, control of corporations is left leaning. Suppression of opposition can occur right or left. Martial virtues over democratic values might be more right-wing. Aggressive nationalism might also be more right-wing, maybe. But the common link in all of this is the authoritarian character.

Totalitarianism is similar but it's more about centralized government than a single dictator. Both are authoritarian.

I voted for Gary Johnson. That's libertarian. I get a sense both republicans and democrats are authoritarian. Somehow that bothers me. The idea I sell my soul to my country or to its institutions creeps me out. I think all these words we use to definie government just confuse it. Broadly, I think the authoritarian measure is the most important--as in, how much control is allotted to the individual or the state. After that, I guess it comes down to how liberal the state is, since I think a state will always exist. The state is the boundary beyond which our individual actions trespass onto the rights of others. A state, or a cooperation of individuals, is necessary to preserve individual rights. The rights are reliant on how liberal we're. What rights will we allow to be violated?
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posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: introvert

Any bets he does something that's totally illegal or causes a major problem for the U.S. in which congress will have no other choice but to impeach him?




He has already given us a potential problem to think about. If he doesn't put his businesses in to a true blind trust, one in which his kids are not running them, he may get himself in trouble.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

They snubbed KISS F##k 'em.
Melodic metal in general.
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