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US envoy nominee Branstad member of Masons, banned in China

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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:02 AM
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Masons not allowed in China?

This is interesting.

I didn't know that freemasonry was outlawed in China.

I also didn't know our new ambassador to China is a freemason.

I'm curious as to what the thoughts are of our masonic members regarding this.




posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

It's been that way in Communist countries for a while I believe. It does help explain the need for secrecy a bit.
You would think in 2016, people would be better educated, but I guess fear of the unknown will always exist.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:47 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

Weren't masons also banned in Nazi Germany?

I think it's simply because Freemasons tend to band together, forming freethinking brotherhoods whose ideas aren't always aligned with an authoritarian government.


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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 06:03 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

Freemasonry promotes community - China has maintained a very strict and disciplined society since recorded history where community values are subordinate to the State.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

I worked for a large corporation,buisness all over the world,the man in charge was a freemason,he was in China all the time,maybe because he was from UK,as far as I know he still is in charge



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

I worked for a large corporation,buisness all over the world,the man in charge was a freemason,he was in China all the time,maybe because he was from UK,as far as I know he still is in charge



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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I often hear certain Conspiracy Theorists proclaim that China is a beacon of the Illuminati, with its authoritative system serving as a prototype or standard of N.W.O. rule. I also hear these same Theorists state that Freemasons are playing a key role in this agenda. Kinda a hard-hit to many theories, as Freemasonry has been banned in China for some time now.

Freemasonry may be banned in China, but according to an article by the Washington Post, Governor Terry Branstad's Masonic membership will not hinder his work as U.S. Ambassador to China.


Branstad has extensive ties to China and a personal friendship with Chinese President Xi Jinping that dates back decades.



China’s Foreign Ministry did not confirm the report but reacted warmly.

“First of all, I would like to say that Mr. Branstad is an old friend of the Chinese people and we welcome him to play a greater role in promoting Sino-U.S. relations,” spokesman Lu Kang said at a regular news conference. “The U.S. ambassador to China serves as an important bridge linking the governments of the U.S. and China. We are willing to work with whomever takes this position to strive for the continued, sound and steady development of bilateral ties.”



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:56 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

"I didn't know that freemasonry was outlawed in China. "

Anything that could be put above the state, religious organizations or other, is banned in China.

They live in fear of free thought by their citizens.
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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:15 AM
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Obviously, China bans secret handshakes.

It's subversive.

It is folly not to fear things you don't know.

There are known unknowns, and then there are unknown unknowns, as Rumsfeld said.

The Kingdom of France was overturned by those secret handshakes.

Rulers beware when the Freemasons are near.

Freemasons aren't interested in the common man, just the rulers, the movers and shakers.

Their motto is to "be the leaders in every community".

And you can guess why.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: Riffrafter

Makes no difference if China bans what ever they want in their country, the ambassador is not there to promote, practice or exercises free masonry he is there to represent the US in diplomatic relationships.


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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:39 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: Riffrafter

Makes no difference if China bans what ever they want in their country, the ambassador is not there to promote, practice or exercises free masonry he is there to represent the US in diplomatic relationships.



How do you know this?

What Freemasons do, they do in secret. So, how can any outsider claim to know of their agenda?

That's the whole point of the ban.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:25 AM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
The Kingdom of France was overturned by those secret handshakes.

Rulers beware when the Freemasons are near.

Freemasons aren't interested in the common man, just the rulers, the movers and shakers.

Their motto is to "be the leaders in every community".

And you can guess why.



The people of France awakened from their Intellectual Dark Age through the Age of Enlightenment. Prior to this conscious evolution, higher levels of knowledge and learning were traditionally reserved for royalty, priesthoods, and nobility. In the face of tyranny, oppression, subjugation, stagnation, decadence, and unfair taxes, the common people collectively rose up to overthrow Absolute Monarchy in favor of a free and liberal Republic during the French Revolution.

Would you rather have Europe remain in the grasp of Monarchists and Authoritarian Religious Institutions, while being forced into intellectual ignorance?



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

If you know something we don't by all means spelled out so we can read it.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 12:48 PM
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a reply to: Riffrafter
To clarify, the practice of Freemasonry is banned in China, but Freemasons go to China all of the time.

a reply to: network dude
It is sad to see such ignorance still existing today.

a reply to: swanne
In his article called The Sociology of Secrecy and of Secret Societies, Georg Simmel states:


As a general proposition, the secret society emerges everywhere as correlate of despotism and of police control. It acts as protection alike of defense and of offense against the violent pressure of central powers. This is true, not alone in political relations, but in the same way within the church, the school, and the family.


a reply to: AMPTAH
Modes of recognition are not subversive.

Freemasons were and are scapegoated for the French Revolution, but to say that it was all Freemasonry's fault then you need to go back and read through your history.

a reply to: marg6043
Exactly.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: Sahabi

Would you rather have Europe remain in the grasp of Monarchists and Authoritarian Religious Institutions, while being forced into intellectual ignorance?


I comment, but I don't have preferences. The deed was done. And it was foretold in the bible.



I have seen servants upon horses, and princes walking as servants upon the earth. -- KJV, Ecclesiastes 10:7


So, those who read the scriptures knew "democracy" was coming, where ordinary folk would rise up and rule, while the nobility got off their high horse and walked as the servants on the earth.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 04:27 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

Their motto is to "be the leaders in every community".


Uh, did you just make that up? That is not even remotely close to our motto.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:32 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: AMPTAH

If you know something we don't by all means spelled out so we can read it.



I know that if China bans Freemasonry, they must have an opinion that something about it is bad.

If the Pope bans Freemasonry, he must have an opinion about it that can't be good.

If Freemasons swear to have their tongue cut out, heart ripped from chest, and guts spilled on the ground, it's definitely no thing for kindergarten.

Yet, the scriptures say, as a child the chosen shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, we can conclude that Freemasons go to the other end of the realm. Where the grown ups are.



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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:56 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: AMPTAH

If you know something we don't by all means spelled out so we can read it.



I know that if China bans Freemasonry, they must have an opinion that something about it is bad.

If the Pope bans Freemasonry, he must have an opinion about it that can't be good.

If Freemasons swear to have their tongue cut out, heart ripped from chest, and guts spilled on the ground, it's definitely no thing for kindergarten.

Yet, the scriptures say, as a child the chosen shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, we can conclude that Freemasons go to the other end of the realm. Where the grown ups are.




What?

I'm sorry...maybe I'm a little dense tonight, but I have no idea what your point is.

Tequila does that to me sometimes....not always though.

Can you clarify?

Thanks.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: Riffrafter


What?

I'm sorry...maybe I'm a little dense tonight, but I have no idea what your point is.

Tequila does that to me sometimes....not always though.

Can you clarify?

Thanks.



My point is that we aren't all aiming for the same destination.

Some want to go upstairs, others want to go downstairs.

The "stairs" look like this:

(upstairs)
.
UNION
...JUSTICE
......TRANQUILITY
.........DEFENCE
............WELFARE
...............LIBERTY
.
(downstairs)

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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:46 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
I know that if China bans Freemasonry, they must have an opinion that something about it is bad.

If the Pope bans Freemasonry, he must have an opinion about it that can't be good.

Tyrants will always find a pretext for their tyranny.


If Freemasons swear to have their tongue cut out, heart ripped from chest, and guts spilled on the ground, it's definitely no thing for kindergarten.

Yet, the scriptures say, as a child the chosen shall enter the kingdom of heaven.

So, we can conclude that Freemasons go to the other end of the realm. Where the grown ups are.

That's a horrible myopic and false conclusion to make. I'd go so far as to call it conjecture.



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