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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
It's funny...instead of being happy about 1150 jobs staying here the OP is upset about other jobs leaving. So I guess the OP would rather have 2200 jobs leaving?
I just don't get the complaining over any jobs staying...even if the number actually was off, which it isn't.
It's more than the union or Obama or HRC has done for these workers, yet the bad is the only thing focused on because it is Trump.
Had Trump NOT done what he did, or had HRC won, ALL of these jobs would have been moved...Obama damn sure didn't try to do anything and he IS our current POTUS.
Hell...Obama gave them a $5.1 million tax break in 2013 to save the Indianapolis plant....worked out about as well as the solyndra thing.
originally posted by: Tardacus
well let me a ask you this, if you owned a company and were planning to lay off a bunch of union workers who would be the LAST person you would tell about your plan?
The last person or people that you would tell would be the people who you are planning to lay off.
My point is,just because the union boss might have been lead to believe that carrier wasn`t going to lay off a bunch of union workers doesn`t mean that`s what would have really happened.
trump talked to the people at carrier who make the decisions so he has much more accurate information on what carrier was really planning on doing.
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
originally posted by: Tardacus
well let me a ask you this, if you owned a company and were planning to lay off a bunch of union workers who would be the LAST person you would tell about your plan?
The last person or people that you would tell would be the people who you are planning to lay off.
My point is,just because the union boss might have been lead to believe that carrier wasn`t going to lay off a bunch of union workers doesn`t mean that`s what would have really happened.
trump talked to the people at carrier who make the decisions so he has much more accurate information on what carrier was really planning on doing.
Bingo...and it was even stated in the OP article that the union wasn't even involved in the talks...
The whole OP is just a bitch fest based on an upset union leader that obviously has underperformed at his role and is now getting heat for it so he's blaming someone else based on his limited knowledge of any real facts on the deal.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: reldra
LMFAO
I now see what the problem is and Oh gosh youre gonna feel silly.
Go have a sit down and clear your head for minute, Let the pathological Trump hate dissapate slightly and rewatch your linked video.
OK so 350 R&D jobs are staying
730 Manufacturing jobs are staying
70 management and clerical jobs are staying
550 jobs are going.
This isnt a math issue its you confusing (and dare I say hoping so you could justify your Trump hate) what the guy said, 1150 jobs are staying that did not change.
The union boss's only complaint was that the other 550 will be going.
So to clarify the math from your linked video looks like this
1150 jobs staying in US
550 jobs going to Mexico
I at one stage toyed with the idea you were a pro Hillary shill but now Im thinking you might be a Trump plant here to post and make Trump haters look silly
Your credibility just dropped to zero
The 350 in your list were never slated to leave...so not saved.
On top of all that, Carrier's Huntington plant (in the same state) is laying off 600 in order to to hire in Mexico.
Trump first campaigned on the fact he would cause Carrier to keep over 1400 jobs in the US.
For this, they got 7 mil in corporate welfare.
Also, where do you find it is your job to rate the credibility of others here?
Trump has apparently backed off on the 1100 total. Good. I have a problem with the math on that even number, though. Net loss seem to be words many here do not understand.
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
It's funny...instead of being happy about 1150 jobs staying here the OP is upset about other jobs leaving. So I guess the OP would rather have 2200 jobs leaving?
I just don't get the complaining over any jobs staying...even if the number actually was off, which it isn't.
It's more than the union or Obama or HRC has done for these workers, yet the bad is the only thing focused on because it is Trump.
Had Trump NOT done what he did, or had HRC won, ALL of these jobs would have been moved...Obama damn sure didn't try to do anything and he IS our current POTUS.
Hell...Obama gave them a $5.1 million tax break in 2013 to save the Indianapolis plant....worked out about as well as the solyndra thing.
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: odzeandennz
He's a 'glass half full kind of guy'.
You seem like a "take the glass and smash it if you dont like it" kind of girl
originally posted by: neformore
Remember the good old days when the topics on ATS were about the topics and not about individual members?
Well damn... so do I.
That's because that rule STILL EXISTS
So discuss the issue, not each other. If you can't do that because your brain doesn't connect to your fingers properly, then don't post.
Simple.
originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff mi
originally posted by: Vasa Croe
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff
It's funny...instead of being happy about 1150 jobs staying here the OP is upset about other jobs leaving. So I guess the OP would rather have 2200 jobs leaving?
I just don't get the complaining over any jobs staying...even if the number actually was off, which it isn't.
It's more than the union or Obama or HRC has done for these workers, yet the bad is the only thing focused on because it is Trump.
Had Trump NOT done what he did, or had HRC won, ALL of these jobs would have been moved...Obama damn sure didn't try to do anything and he IS our current POTUS.
Hell...Obama gave them a $5.1 million tax break in 2013 to save the Indianapolis plant....worked out about as well as the solyndra thing.
Mate I no longer question the idiocy I see these people display
They were Hillary supporters, what did we think they were all of a sudden gonna grow brains because she lost?