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Carrier Union Boss: Trump is Lying His A** Off

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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:11 AM
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originally posted by: Archonic
a reply to: reldra

You need to get over yourself, ya think everyone's got to agree with you when you're wrong? That's a bloody stuffed way to think, ya?

Smell ya later


No?

I am not wrong in this case, no matter how many times you say it.




posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
800 jobs where saved, not 1100 like trump said in is speech, but damn you cnn, for making trump say lies again.



I believe he said "1100 jobs will be staying in America"

Show me the part where he claims that HE saved 1100 jobs?

He does manage to save 800 jobs when not even in office yet and you all still bash him???

You Trump haters are pathetic



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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originally posted by: jjkenobi
Keep them job hating posts coming. This is so amazing that Dems are being exposed for what they are. Trump keeps jobs in the USA, Dems continue to be furious and lose sleep over it.


Job hating posts? You are not reading this right.

Trump claims saving 1100. The real number is about 210. I am happy for those people. This is not a job-hating post LOL.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:14 AM
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a reply to: reldra

So are you against all politicians lying or just trump?
Or is it the subject they lie about that riles you?
Just need some clarification.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
800 jobs where saved, not 1100 like trump said in is speech, but damn you cnn, for making trump say lies again.



I believe he said "1100 jobs will be staying in America"

Show me the part where he claims that HE saved 1100 jobs?

He does manage to save 800 jobs when not even in office yet and you all still bash him???

You Trump haters are pathetic


He did not save 800 jobs. 1100 did not stay US jobs.

You math deniers need a math book.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:16 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: reldra

So are you against all politicians lying or just trump?
Or is it the subject they lie about that riles you?
Just need some clarification.


I am focused on this fake 1100 number and carrier. That is the topic of the thread.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:16 AM
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I think it's funny and telling of the people talking bad about Trump that they are complaining that he saved jobs. Not even POTUS yet and saved jobs...but just like any good lefty...have to find the bad in it....even though the story doesn't say what the OP thinks it does and references another company that Jones, who obviously socks at his job and should be replaced, says Trump SHOULD help.

And as of this story, he did say Trump saved 800 jobs. He also said the other 300 were not in jeopardy...got any paperwork to back up that statement?

I'd take Trump's word over an obviously inept uniontard who is trying to save face because Trump had to come in and do his job for him.

Great non-story OP!



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:18 AM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
800 jobs where saved, not 1100 like trump said in is speech, but damn you cnn, for making trump say lies again.



I believe he said "1100 jobs will be staying in America"

Show me the part where he claims that HE saved 1100 jobs?

He does manage to save 800 jobs when not even in office yet and you all still bash him???

You Trump haters are pathetic


He did not save 800 jobs. 1100 did not stay US jobs.

You math deniers need a math book.


Quoted directly from your link...maybe read the stories you post about instead of misleading members here:


Jones did not get to speak with Trump when the President-elect visited Carrier last week. But he said he was angry when Trump praised Carrier for "keeping 1,100 people" in jobs that won't move to Mexico. The real number is 800.


So who is lying then?



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe

He hasn't saved jobs; he's given a company $7 million in tax breaks for doing what they were going to do anyway. All the factory jobs will be gone in five years and then it will be President Chelsea's problem.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
800 jobs where saved, not 1100 like trump said in is speech, but damn you cnn, for making trump say lies again.



I believe he said "1100 jobs will be staying in America"

Show me the part where he claims that HE saved 1100 jobs?

He does manage to save 800 jobs when not even in office yet and you all still bash him???

You Trump haters are pathetic


He did not save 800 jobs. 1100 did not stay US jobs.

You math deniers need a math book.


Have you even watched the video you linked????

The union boss thanks him for saving 800 jobs.

And I owe you an apology, you were right, its not 1100 jobs that will be staying in the US.... its 1150



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:22 AM
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a reply to: reldra

So just this one politically motivated lie (according to you) is the problem?
Wow well done.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Vasa Croe

He hasn't saved jobs; he's given a company $7 million in tax breaks for doing what they were going to do anyway. All the factory jobs will be gone in five years and then it will be President Chelsea's problem.


Then what's the issue with getting rid of them now if you're so against even trying? Methinks a lot here could use a bit more of a positive outlook.

And make sure to let those 800+ folks know he didn't save their livelihood.....they might see it a bit different than someone on a conspiracy forum.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:26 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe
I think it's funny and telling of the people talking bad about Trump that they are complaining that he saved jobs. Not even POTUS yet and saved jobs...but just like any good lefty...have to find the bad in it....even though the story doesn't say what the OP thinks it does and references another company that Jones, who obviously socks at his job and should be replaced, says Trump SHOULD help.

And as of this story, he did say Trump saved 800 jobs. He also said the other 300 were not in jeopardy...got any paperwork to back up that statement?

I'd take Trump's word over an obviously inept uniontard who is trying to save face because Trump had to come in and do his job for him.

Great non-story OP!


No, he did not save 800 jobs. You miss the part where 550 of that total was laid off immediately after the announcement and 350 were never leaving the the US. This does not include Rexford, a second issue the man brought up.

I was not finding the 'bad' in it. I see the numbers discrepancy.

So, Trump is now backing away from the 1100 number? He needs to also admit 550 of the 800 were laid off right away and the 350 R&D jobs were never slated for Mexico.




edit on 8-12-2016 by reldra because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:27 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: reldra

So just this one politically motivated lie (according to you) is the problem?
Wow well done.


I am guessing Trump's lie is politically motivated, as he is a politician. I am not.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:29 AM
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You're Wrong reldra

haha!

edit on 8-12-2016 by Archonic because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: reldra

I just posted a direct quote from your article stating they thanked him for saving 800 jobs.

You denying and lying about it is ridiculous. It is IN the article YOU linked....



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
800 jobs where saved, not 1100 like trump said in is speech, but damn you cnn, for making trump say lies again.



I believe he said "1100 jobs will be staying in America"

Show me the part where he claims that HE saved 1100 jobs?

He does manage to save 800 jobs when not even in office yet and you all still bash him???

You Trump haters are pathetic


He did not save 800 jobs. 1100 did not stay US jobs.

You math deniers need a math book.


Quoted directly from your link...maybe read the stories you post about instead of misleading members here:


Jones did not get to speak with Trump when the President-elect visited Carrier last week. But he said he was angry when Trump praised Carrier for "keeping 1,100 people" in jobs that won't move to Mexico. The real number is 800.


So who is lying then?


Exactly mate!



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Vasa Croe

He hasn't saved jobs; he's given a company $7 million in tax breaks for doing what they were going to do anyway. All the factory jobs will be gone in five years and then it will be President Chelsea's problem.




And make sure to let those 800+ folks know he didn't save their livelihood.....they might see it a bit different than someone on a conspiracy forum.


No one needs to tell 550 of them, they have no job to go to today. 350 were never in danger of losing their jobs. For the 210 left, Trump can have credit for that.

I have no problem that he called them and he tried. A lot of people thought he shouldn't have.

He should, however, make a statement that the number is closer to 210. His personality type will have difficulty with that after the Big Announcement.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:34 AM
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originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Vasa Croe

He hasn't saved jobs; he's given a company $7 million in tax breaks for doing what they were going to do anyway. All the factory jobs will be gone in five years and then it will be President Chelsea's problem.




And make sure to let those 800+ folks know he didn't save their livelihood.....they might see it a bit different than someone on a conspiracy forum.


No one needs to tell 550 of them, they have no job to go to today. 350 were never in danger of losing their jobs. For the 210 left, Trump can have credit for that.

I have no problem that he called them and he tried. A lot of people thought he shouldn't have.

He should, however, make a statement that the number is closer to 210. His personality type will have difficulty with that after the Big Announcement.


I don't recall Obama making any statements after bailing out industries that failed again and again and went bankrupt and moved jobs costing us billions....and that actually happened, unlike the story you claim which you linked to that is in direct conflict with what you are posting...

By the way...where has our actual current POTUS been on this...I mean he IS still POTUS and continues to do nothing...
edit on 12/8/16 by Vasa Croe because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:37 AM
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Can someone explain something that doesn't make sense to me? The engineering department in a plant is there to to keep the plant running. They handle equipment maintenance and in the case of Nissan do quality control. then there is the administration that handles plant payroll orders parts etc. So my question is what company ships the assembly lines to mexico getting rid of production staff. But then keeps the plant open for the engineers and admin? if production is shut down what do they need the engineers for ? If there is no work force to manage why do they need admin? The only plausible explanation I can think of is they were union workers. And as such the company didn't want to pay the fines involved under the contract. So they were willing to pay people to do nothing until of course next fiscal quarter when they can take the hit on the books. It is the only thing that makes sense. So in other words these jobs were as good as gone the company was just waiting to take the hit. Of course there going to tell the Union that there not going anywhere because the union would of course demand money now. So the only thing that makes sense is the company lied to the union no big surprise there. Or Carrier is the worst run company on the planet to want to keep admin and engineers in a plant that is no longer operating. Kind of like paying teachers to teach in a school with no students.




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