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McConnell: Obamacare repeal measure coming within weeks

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posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: ugmold
a reply to: Tardacus
Can't wait to see what the Trumpies have in mind to replace it.



Not a trumpie, but why the hell would we want to replace it? Its a gift to big pharma and terrible for most of the american people.




posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 08:50 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Awesome.

It is time to remove this travesty from the books for good and replace it with something that actually works and is good for the people of this country and NOT in favor of insurers.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Darkmadness
a reply to: imjack

No the problem is it cost me 250 a month and im a single non parent.


It's not like the premium of ObamaCare is designed to create profit margins like private healthcare systems.

The coverage you get for 250 is actually not terrible if you consider other healthcare options too.

If that is too expensive, there are still cheaper insurance than that for avoiding the fine.

The epitome of your issue seems to be it cost money at all. The projections the ACA released in 2008 of future premiums are 100% accurate to whats happened, the negative aspects of it are the same spin. The truth is too hard to swallow that Obama was correct, it will not take off unless there is substantial subscribers, and people just politically campaign against it claiming it's a Democratic flagship issue, at the cost of poorer citizens.

It's very similar to the welfare system, most Democrats just cringe when the Right wants these programs removed, it's mostly their people that use them. The highest uninsured rate states are all southern red, most of the people 'wasting tax money' with footing ER bills come from them and the people most benefiting from this program most would be from these states. It's even been shown that there are healthgaps that overall from state to state, ones with the ACA now have healthier people than the states that denied it and took medicare expansion. This ironically causes private insurance rates to rise in those areas because people are so 'sick' already.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Profusion

Awesome.

It is time to remove this travesty from the books for good and replace it with something that actually works and is good for the people of this country and NOT in favor of insurers.


Three big health insurers who handle the Medicaid-expansion aspect of ObamaCare are making a financial KILLING, from administering the program for Uncle Sam.

The health insurance companies that handle the Marketplace (aka Healthcare.gov) signups are the ones GETTING Killed, financially. They're leaving that business like crazy. Only 2 left here in Illinois..Blue Cross and Cigna. We had Nine companies in 2016. Eleven Companies in 2015.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:34 PM
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originally posted by: imjack
Most people that complain about ObamaCare do not even have ObamaCare.


Any policy outside of Medicare, Medicaid, and Medi-Gap is Obamacare. Except for the exclusions mentioned, ALL plans must conform to the requirements of the Affordable Care Act, aka ObamaCare.

You're confusing the Obamacare subsidy with actual Obamacare health insurance plans.

Any consumer whose premiums went from $252 to $1063 a month over five years has every*single*right*to*complain because we're subsidizing the entire scam. After all, isn't that why ObamaCare exists? Because a specific class of consumer complained about lack of affordable health insurance?

edit on 7-12-2016 by EightAhoy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:36 PM
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originally posted by: Darkblade71
It would make a lot more sense to fix the medical system before forcing people into paying for something that is broken.

I never liked Trump, however, I never liked Obamacare either.
It cost me more than people realize when they hacked my hours and then eventually cut my job due to this messed up healthcare idea.

Ditch the forced healthcare until the medical system is fixed.



Fixing it is quite easy.... Healthcare corporations donate millions a year to make sure we never talk about it.

Mandatory posted pricing. You need to see a doctor, get on your phone and select by cost / distance. You need additional imaging, go to your ap and select price and distance and medical test code for the best pricing.

Like Lazik, technology will get better and better and prices will plummet due to competition.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: EightAhoy
After all, isn't that why ObamaCare exists? Because a specific class of consumer complained about lack of affordable health insurance?


It was created to create contrast in subsidy distribution in insurance. The biggest issue with insurance is basic math. If you have two companies instead of one to choose from, and make a claim, it creates only a 50% chance the insurance company has a loss, but anyone that uses insurance still has the 100% chance of making the claim. It only becomes more safe for them with each new 'competitor'.

The coverage is more efficient when the subsidy includes more subscribers, insurance on it's own is a scam of membership. The cheapest plan would be a single provider, competition in insurance only raises rates because less people become insured under the same companies and this lowers the efficiency of the subsidy distribution. Proof of this is the most successful insurance companies already are enormous conglomerates, not just insurance. They don't sell a real product, they pool money like a Bank. Despite this they demand to be treated with standard basic economic ideals like 'competition'.

ObamaCare seeked to exploit, and potentially even inform people of this, showing figures that if everyone uninsured actually used ObamaCare, it would be extremely affordable. This did not happen. The premise of the ACA was 'Universal Healthcare', without pushing private insurance off the boat, it's just another company lowering subsidy distribution like the rest of them. Democrats probably agree removing it will save money, without completing it's primary function of getting the uninsured people signed up, it easily costs money and bogs down the insurance system that is already bad. The heart of the argument though is if people did sign up, being expensive wouldn't have been the issue.

Obama tried to make it seem serious to fix the insurance industry, he made laws and fines. Make no mistake American Healthcare is good, the issue is definitely in Healthcare options.

Then there's also the conflict of interest ObamaCare removed from owning the insurance. Incase you're not aware of societies general view of Private Insurance actually being legitimate and helping people, it roughly goes something like this:


Now, ObamaCare might nilly-willy be giving the money away, and make mistakes, but that's the world we would be going back to where Private Companies need to screw people just to survive.
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posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:13 PM
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hate to break it to yas but the Insurance companies are already putting in their wishlist to the santas in congress...
they like the subsidies, insist that they stay.
they like the mandate, insist that they can't function without it.
reading through the article, I am kind of at a loss of what they are willing to let be changed...

but read it yourself.

money.cnn.com...

and they even have the hospital associations making sure to point out that hospitals are often times the biggest employers in the cities they are in.




Two major hospital associations, meanwhile, warned the Trump administration and Congressional leaders that repealing Obamacare could cost its members hundreds of billions of dollars. The associations sent two reports detailing the potential strain on hospitals, which may have to absorb the costs of caring for millions of newly uninsured Americans. The repeal bill that Congress passed last year, which President Obama vetoed, did not restore the funding cuts for Medicare and Medicaid hospital services for patient care, they noted.

Obamacare reduced federal funding for hospitals to cover the uninsured since the health reform law -- particularly Medicaid expansion -- was supposed to reduce the number of Americans without coverage. However, only 31 states and the District of Columbia have expanded Medicaid.

"Losses of this magnitude cannot be sustained and will adversely impact patients' access to care, decimate hospitals' and health systems' ability to provide services, weaken local economies that hospitals help sustain and grow, and result in massive job losses," the letter read, noting that hospitals are often the largest employer in communities.


basically, they are making sure that they not only don't get less money, but congress is aware that they need more!!!
so, prepare to get taken to the cleaners again!!



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Profusion

What number attempt will this be? 400?


ACA is getting axed. President, House and Senate. All GOP controlled.

If you are poor and sick you die. I use to be poor. If I had been sick and poor then so be it, I die. Nobody should have to pay for anyone else's BS. End of the day life is not that important. Especially somebody who is a burden on society. If you can't afford something you can't have it plain and simple.

The only purpose of the Federal Government is to provide safety internal and external from attacks, nothing else.

edit on 7-12-2016 by LifeMode because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: LifeMode

then, if they can't afford it, they have no business paying any tax that is used to provide it to others, and that include medicaid, chips, medical and drug research, ect....



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: lordcomac






As opposed to screwing the rest of us, eh? 
If there was no insurance, there would be no medical care that required insurance to afford. 
Think about it. 

Insurance is the problem, making insurance mandatory can't possibly solve that problem.



You literally claimed that medical care would not exist if medical insurance was no longer an option...do you realize that? So...what, we remove insurance completely and all of the doctors in the country just suddenly stop practicing medicine then? Suddenly all medical licenses are unanimously revoked and all hospitals, clinics and ancillary services shut down and call it a day? You cannot be serious.

Then, even more puzzling, you say that insurance is the whole problem. Which problem would that be? You seem to have conflicting views...a) medical care would cease to exist if insurance was no longer required, and b) insurance is a problem. What??

There have been physicians practicing medicine for a very, very long time, long before there was ever any such thing as health insurance. The whole purpose of insurance is to pay for things like surgical procedures and preventative care and medication and medical equipment that the vast majority of people in this country could not otherwise afford.

You talk about screwing "the rest of us" but I don't think you have a real grasp of what you are actually saying there. Since we've established that medical care does in fact exist in the absence of insurance, if there were no insurance to offset costs, all charges would have to be paid in full before any treatment would be given.

How many of "the rest of us" do you think just happen to have $100k or more sitting in their bank accounts to pay for unexpected major surgery? How many have an extra $400 or more in the bank to toss down for one month's supply of heart or thyroid or asthma medication? Just one albuterol rescue inhaler without insurance costs almost 60 bucks...and it's only a fifteen day supply. How many families have hundreds of thousands of dollars just lying around to pay for long-term hospital stays for things like oncology treatment or heart surgery or a premature baby that has to spend months in the NICU so it can survive?

Because if insurance was removed from the equation, that is precisely what "the rest of us" would be faced with regarding medical care. People would be dying off by the millions if we suddenly took away the benefit of medical insurance. Here's a really good example:

A person falls, breaks his neck and is paralyzed from the shoulders down, permanently. After the initial treatment, which would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars itself, the man gets sent home, where he now requires nursing intervention around the clock.

He's completely paralyzed, remember. He cannot breathe on his own and so must spend the rest of his life on a ventilator. He has a permanent tracheostomy that must be attached to the ventilator at all times or he will die. He cannot urinate or defecate, so procedures are done to facilitate waste elimination. He cannot eat nor drink so he must be fed. Ditto medications.

He requires range-of-motion therapy every single day. He has multiple bed sores, a few that go all the way down to the bone, that require sterile wound care multiple times daily. He has to take a myriad of medications twice a day, sometimes more. He has to be manually transferred from his bed to his chair, and requires a very expensive Hoyer lift to facilitate that. Every one of those things requires money...and I barely scratched the surface of what this man's daily care requires. If insurance was no longer an option, the only other one for a patient like him would be death.

It's easy to say things like that when it's happening to everyone else. It's easy to make blanket statements and qualify things when your scope of awareness is limited. But in a case like this, the bigger picture is very different if all aspects of the situation are considered.

Getting rid of healthcare insurance would be disastrous, for a whole lot of people. I don't like a number of things about the ACA, and I think it needs to be heavily edited and revised...but taking away medical insurance would only benefit people who already have unlimited funds to cover any medical costs that may arise. That does not in any way reflect anything approaching reality for the majority of the American population.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:49 AM
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I for one am excited that I no longer have to pay for the poor and the sick. Let them die off faster and decrease the surplus population! Trump for Emperor 2020 and Beyond!



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: ugmold
Why replace it?,the whole thing was forced down taxpayers throat,did the taxpayers have a say in it?,I don't think so,4 million less are now insured,so how was his plan working?,it wasn't just made ins companys richer



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: ugmold
Why replace it?,the whole thing was forced down taxpayers throat,did the taxpayers have a say in it?,I don't think so,4 million less are now insured,so how was his plan working?,it wasn't just made ins companys richer



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:52 AM
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Obamacare had two major priorities:

Govt control of what coverage you are able to get and receive
Destroy the middle class


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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: dawnstar
hate to break it to yas but the Insurance companies are already putting in their wishlist to the santas in congress...
they like the subsidies, insist that they stay.
they like the mandate, insist that they can't function without it.
reading through the article, I am kind of at a loss of what they are willing to let be changed...



They are willing to allow for the option to refuse covered on pre-existing conditions. Thats about it. Prices stay the same, Mandatory enrollment remains, but now the sick will need to go find a pit in the earth and lie in it. Lets be honest, mercy, compassion and love for our fellow human beings are weak qualities that are better pruned from a successful nation/buisnes such as the USA LLC.
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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Darkblade71
It would make a lot more sense to fix the medical system before forcing people into paying for something that is broken.

I never liked Trump, however, I never liked Obamacare either.
It cost me more than people realize when they hacked my hours and then eventually cut my job due to this messed up healthcare idea.

Ditch the forced healthcare until the medical system is fixed.



Fixing it is quite easy.... Healthcare corporations donate millions a year to make sure we never talk about it.

Mandatory posted pricing. You need to see a doctor, get on your phone and select by cost / distance. You need additional imaging, go to your ap and select price and distance and medical test code for the best pricing.

Like Lazik, technology will get better and better and prices will plummet due to competition.


Exactly. This is what people simply don't get. There hasn't been a true free market in healthcare for like 50 years. When you combine regulations, vague pricing, and third party payors you are going to get some significant price inflation.

They could get healthcare on the right track relatively easy by changing a few laws:

1) Allow health insurance to be sold across state lines like any other product
2) Decouple insurance from employers completely. All insurance should be purchased on individual market. Any tax incentives should go directly to the individual, not the company.

In addition, consumers should be shopping for basic preventative/health services like any other product with posted prices. Insurance is supposed to be for catastrophic coverage - broken bones, significant illnesses, cancer, etc. Insurance is not designed to pay for physicals and every little cough and headache.

Insurance is out of control because the market has been disrupted too much. Imagine how messed up car insurance would be if your car insurance provider had to pay for tire rotations, oil changes, car washes, etc. On top of that you never even knew as a consumer, how much this stuff costs when you requested the services. Then your car insurance was only good if you stayed at your current employer. If you changed jobs, you had to get an entirely different car insurance provider.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:27 AM
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a reply to: tigertatzen

Insurance would be an option. Insurance has always been around. The problem is that health insurance doesn't function like a normal insurance market and thus the costs are sky high. You have government telling men they need coverage for pregnancies. Goverment restricting the market. You also have the consumer completely disconnected from the cost of basic services as they expect insurance to pay for it. Health insurnace should not be paying for you to go see a Dr. because you have a little cold. Nor should it be paying for basic drugs. All this does is inflate costs.



posted on Jan, 13 2017 @ 12:19 AM
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It looks like the process of repealing Obamacare is underway.

www.wired.com...


So while today’s vote doesn’t immediately change anything, the important thing is it ensures that any repeal bill those committees write in the future will be immune to a filibuster, if and when it is completed.


Satire:




posted on Feb, 3 2017 @ 03:11 AM
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February 2, 2017

WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!?

NOW THERE WILL BE NO OBAMACARE REPEAL.

Instead, OBAMACARE WILL BE REPAIRED... "Like an old bridge", says Senator Orin Hatch.

President Trump went silent on this issue after visiting the Republican "retreat". I wonder what happened to him there?

Startling! - www.foxnews.com...



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