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Top military commanders in history.

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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:36 AM
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Rommel's advance through France in 1940 cost more casualties than any other German division in that campaign.
Bernard Law Montgomery beat him in north Africa.
Again in Normandy when the Brits, free French and the free Poles were up against most of the German panzer divisions.




posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 06:36 AM
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Cool thread. Many good commanders already mentionned so how about a few others.

1. David IV of Georgia. Small kingdom in the Caucusus, with 55'000 he defeated around 600'000 Seljuks at the Battle of Didgori. Told them to block the route and they live or die there. Over 70% Seljuks killed, the rest taken prisoner. Allowed the Golden Age of Georgia to occur (lasting around 200 years) so a very significant result.

2. Tran Hung Dao of Vietnam (Dai Viet at the time). Quite simply he commanded the Vietnamese forces that repelled 2 major Mongol invasions in 1285 and 1287. Both armies were under Kublai Khan (who should also be on this list, making Dao's achievements even more impressive). He didn't achieve this with numbers either. In every way, the Dai Viet forces were far inferior to the Mongols but he imployed suitable tactics for his opposition.

3. Scipio Africanus. He defeated Hannibal (no need to say more). But if you want more, he defeated everyone he fought.

4. Tamerlane. Defeated the Mongols, Turkic tribes, Arabs and Hindus. Also a skilled diplomat (important for after the fighting). Died on the way to conquer the Yuan dynasty.

5. Germanicus. If he hadn't died so young, the Roman Empire would have conquered Germany. Defeated everyone. Legions extremely loyal to him - tried to declare him Emperor but he refused. Usually when this happened, the General was killed by the Legions. Not Germanicus, he told them he was flattered but they were (basically) silly and still gave him unswerving loyalty.

6. Harald Hardrada. The original Crusader, feared in all Muslim territories but only in battle. Fought in Siciliy, in the Med, all over the Holy Land (and in between there and Byzantium). Fought as a commander for King Yaroslav of the Rus.

7. Harold Godwinsson (King Harold). Alright, he lost at Hastings but prior to this he was feared by the Normans (and had even fought for King William in Normandy, although possibly under duress). Defeated the largest Viking invasion of Britain ever and a few days later had successfully got his army down to Hastings to take on the Normans. If he could have delayed by even another few hours, there is a significant chance that the Normans would have been defeated - an additional 500 Housecarls arrived at the battle an hour after it ended and although they couldn't influence the outcome, they set up camp on a hill and attacked every passing Norman column, inflicting heavy casualties. His tiny, exhausted main army almost defeated the most feared force in all of Europe.

Will add more when i can think of some!



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: crazyewok

Not just Waterloo, but Spain, as well.


He pulled off some insane victorys. Even India, at Assay he was outnumbered in some estimstes 10 to 1.

But waterloo even in wellington words was the most close battle he had won. The british and dutch army was beaten, they just didnt know it and carried on the fight.



One has to wonder, if Wellington had been sent to North America during The War Of 1812, the outcome may have been far different and The U.S. may have returned to The Crown.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 07:43 AM
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a reply to: alldaylong

That nearly happend.

There was plans to send the penisular army over when it was finished with napolean.

Wellington and his battle hardend army would of chewed the USA up. At that time there would of been little to stop him.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: alldaylong

That nearly happend.

There was plans to send the penisular army over when it was finished with napolean.

Wellington and his battle hardend army would of chewed the USA up. At that time there would of been little to stop him.


I don't know.....

If memory serves the problem wasn't with the quality of the British military. But one of logistics and population.

The crown was just too far away, vastly populated and America covered too large of a land mass.


Even more important than generals is the 4 B's.

Bullets, beans, bandages and bodies.

Whoever can keep pumping out the most wins.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

We (Britain) sent our Hessian troops over. They were superb mercenaries but we usually used them with effective commanders.

With America, the government took the decision that the most able Army commanders were needed in Europe to counter Napoleon and also in India. Our best Naval commanders were kept in Europe or sent to the Caribbean (as spice was the oil of its' day).

What was left got sent to America. Quite simply, America was too big and unexplored so no one recognised the future potential for resources, etc. It was deemed as least important at a time we were severely over stretched.

However, if those Hessians would have had someone of Wellington's ability in command, it would have been a whole different ball game.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: seagull

In most wars, one of the logistics that has to be looked at are the supply lines. We hear about them, cutting the supply lines, and naval battles are not as simple or easy, taking much planning and taking into accounting all assets. Fuel is the biggest problem of a naval battle. And while trying to take over the pacific, there would have to be targets to either destroy or harry.

One of the main concerns about Midway that Yamamoto had was that the carriers that the USA had in the Pacific was not at Pearl Harbor during the initial attack. Thus they had to take that into account, combined with fuel for both the planes and ships. With a carrier, once the air planes are in the air, the ship is defenseless.

And the other small detail that he was contending with was the other person that was pushing for a war, that being Tojo, who was using the army to lead the Navy into this war. He was wanting to be more cautious and careful when doing this, not reckless or losing too many assets in the process.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Flavian
a reply to: JoshuaCox

We (Britain) sent our Hessian troops over. They were superb mercenaries but we usually used them with effective commanders.

With America, the government took the decision that the most able Army commanders were needed in Europe to counter Napoleon and also in India. Our best Naval commanders were kept in Europe or sent to the Caribbean (as spice was the oil of its' day).

What was left got sent to America. Quite simply, America was too big and unexplored so no one recognised the future potential for resources, etc. It was deemed as least important at a time we were severely over stretched.

However, if those Hessians would have had someone of Wellington's ability in command, it would have been a whole different ball game.


Fair enough, never realized the revolutionary war and the nepolionic wars happened at the same time.

Hindsight, I wonder if the US rebels if not for the knowledge that Britain had its hands full with napoleon.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Fair enough, never realized the revolutionary war and the nepolionic wars happened at the same time.

Hindsight, I wonder if the US rebels if not for the knowledge that Britain had its hands full with napoleon.

I assume the other poster is talking about the war of 1812 happening at the same time as the Napoleonic wars (1803-1815).
He would not mean the revolutionary war of 1776-1783.


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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: Flavian

The Hessians were German, not British, regardless of whose orders they were taking at the time.

But the rest of the point stands entire.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: JoshuaCox
Fair enough, never realized the revolutionary war and the nepolionic wars happened at the same time.

Hindsight, I wonder if the US rebels if not for the knowledge that Britain had its hands full with napoleon.

I assume the other poster is talking about the war of 1812 happening at the same time as the Napoleonic wars (1803-1815).
He would not mean the revolutionary war of 1776-1783.

Yes. In fact, the French fleet showed up at Yorktown at a fortuitous moment and blocked the British retreat by sea while the Marquis de Lafayette and an American army of 5,000 troops prevented escape from Yorktown by land. After three weeks of bombardment Cornwallis surrendered to Washington as the British band played "the World Turned Upside-down" which, for the empire, it had.
Cornwallis couldn't stand the thought of personally surrendering to the revolutionaries and sent his second in command, General Charles O’Hara to carry his sword to the American and French commanders.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: pteridine
I had been reacting to this comment by the OP;

Fair enough, never realized the revolutionary war and the nepolionic wars happened at the same time.

The French fleet involved in Yorktown was not sent by Napoleon, but by Louis XVI. They were two different sets of wars taking place at different times.



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posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 02:15 PM
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a reply to: alldaylong

As the crazy teddy-bear pointed out, it nearly happened...

It would have been interesting, and not in a good way. Not so much the army, but the general. Wellington was, to put it mildly, really good at his job.

It wouldn't have been easy, but the Brits would have, at least temporarily, put a stop to colonial independence. But only temporarily.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: pteridine
I had been reacting to this comment by the OP;

Fair enough, never realized the revolutionary war and the nepolionic wars happened at the same time.

The French fleet involved in Yorktown was not sent by Napoleon, but by Louis XVI. They were two different sets of wars taking place at different times.



I understand that. I was adding to the historical knowledge of the OP. As I remember, part of the problem at Yorktown [1781]was logistics. That may have been true at the Battle of New Orleans, also. [1814]



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 04:13 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Arthur Wellesley Duke Of Wellington

Bernard Montgomery

Horatio Nelson ( 1st Viscount Nelson )



I can't agree with Montgomery unless getting ready to get ready is an attribute.



posted on Dec, 8 2016 @ 05:07 PM
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Great list...great OP!

One of my favorites IS Napoleon. Read about some of his battles and you'll come away with great respect for his Military brilliance. You had a great list though. Hannibal. I don't even know how he was able to pull off some of the things he did.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Absolutely for land forces and sorry for not making that clearer.

Not for Naval Forces though - the Caribbean was more important hence the huge British Naval Superiority never came into play during the Revolutionary War.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 06:43 AM
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a reply to: Flavian
Someone had jumped to the conclusion that the British were fighting Washington at the same time as we were fighting Napoleon, so I was only intervening to clear that up. Not your fault.



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 08:15 AM
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originally posted by: pteridine

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Arthur Wellesley Duke Of Wellington

Bernard Montgomery

Horatio Nelson ( 1st Viscount Nelson )



I can't agree with Montgomery unless getting ready to get ready is an attribute.


This is an Americans view of course.

Montgomery and Rommel only went " Head to Head " on two occasions. North Africa and Normandy.
On both instances Rommel was on the losing side.

Operation Overlord ( The D.Day Invasion of France ) was drawn up by Montgomery and Monty led the allied ground forces. History tells us that the invasion didn't go to badly.

Let us also not forget it was Monty who saved Patton's arse at " The Battle Of The Bulge "



posted on Dec, 9 2016 @ 09:02 AM
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I'm going to pick someone most have never heard of. His name Hermann Balck he literally pulled off miracles. Later in life he even taught at the US army war college. He was in charge of the Germans western front. He took a lone panzer division and destroyed an entire soviet fifth tank army. He was vastly outnumber by the Russian army like 7 to 1 in tanks 11 to one in men and artillery 20 to 1. This should have been an easy win for the Russians but in the end he decimated the Russian army having over a thousand tank kills over about 3 weeks . Every time the soviets would attack his position they were sent away with huge losses while his remained minimal in comparison. Through in the fact he couldn't be resupplied with men and equipment makes this battle all the more amazing. Soviets though literally everything they had at him he always countered there attack.

Now American generals id go with Matthew Ridgway the replacement for MacArthur south Korea wouldn't be there if it wasn't for him.

British id go with The Duke of Wellington without him Napoleon wouldn't have been stopped.

And ill through in France though its rather obvious it be Charlemagne he literally created the monarchy's throughout Europe with his campaigns. And really destroyed the Roman empire.

And finally the greatest general ever Scipio Africanus he saved the Roman Empire and defeated Hannibal and the much larger Carthaginian empire.



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