Amazon Checkout-Free Grocery Store is now a reality in Seattle

originally posted by: Edumakated


Has nothing to do with Amazon. The same technology is available to your local grocery store. Fast food restaurants are already experimenting. It has everything to do with wages for unskilled labor. At $15/hr it becomes much easier to justify the ROI associated with utilizing technology to get rid of labor. Also, the behind the scenes employees will be fewer too. Stocking can be done by robots and already is in many cases.

These places will run with a handful of human employees making a nice wage to oversee all the tech. Instead of saying requiring 50 people they may only need 10 to run the store.

Yeah, because this wasn't in the works already? This was coming regardless of wages. It started years ago and it won't stop until there are no jobs, regardless of pay, that a human can do. Technology is what is ruining this country and eventually the world, not a raise to the minimum wage....

originally posted by: goou111
Is the censor in your phone? seems like you could lose your phone and find a 1000 dollar grocery bill.

Just like if you lose your Credit card, you need to report it or charges can happen.. I'm sure the same thing happens here. And you need the App on your phone to be able to enter the store and buy groceries.

originally posted by: goou111
I dont like this at all. Imagine someone like WAL-MART using this. That is alot of jobs. Just floor guys and stockers left.

This tech could affect every industry and kill cash.

yes, Amazon is attacking every vertical right now it seems...

Here's a story from March of this year. UPS and FedEx should be very worried as Amazon builds out their fleet and delivers their own packages, eliminating them.

It’s official. Amazon has completed a deal with a cargo-airline partner to run its own airfreight delivery operation flying 20 used Boeing 767 cargo jets.

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a reply to: jhn7537

Great, so if something falls off the shelf and I happen to be nearby or the last person to handle it, I'm going to get charged for it.

And I'm really worried about any hackers getting access to our accounts since the so all be continously open. In college we had a saying about computer security "if someone wants in to your system, they're going to get in. It's only a matter of time."

originally posted by: Rookseven
a reply to: jhn7537

Great, so if something falls off the shelf and I happen to be nearby or the last person to handle it, I'm going to get charged for it.

And I'm really worried about any hackers getting access to our accounts since the so all be continously open. In college we had a saying about computer security "if someone wants in to your system, they're going to get in. It's only a matter of time."

I believe people will be more careful when grabbing/putting back items. It will be more organized, I'm sure.. And hackers are a threat for every industry, but I trust Amazon and their network/security verse most others.

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy

originally posted by: Edumakated


Has nothing to do with Amazon. The same technology is available to your local grocery store. Fast food restaurants are already experimenting. It has everything to do with wages for unskilled labor. At $15/hr it becomes much easier to justify the ROI associated with utilizing technology to get rid of labor. Also, the behind the scenes employees will be fewer too. Stocking can be done by robots and already is in many cases.

These places will run with a handful of human employees making a nice wage to oversee all the tech. Instead of saying requiring 50 people they may only need 10 to run the store.

Yeah, because this wasn't in the works already? This was coming regardless of wages. It started years ago and it won't stop until there are no jobs, regardless of pay, that a human can do. Technology is what is ruining this country and eventually the world, not a raise to the minimum wage....

Productivity gains through technology are always happening. You can't stop it. However, you are missing the point that the demands for increased wages for minimal skilled jobs are SPEEDING up the adoption of said technology in certain industries because the investment has a better return on investment.

Take fast food. The technology for cashierless operations has been around for a long time. It is nothing new. However, it didn't make sense to implement it because the cost relative to the benefit was not that high. I can hire people for $8/hr or $10/hr and they do just as good of a job. However, at $15/hr the math is different. Now that investment in technology doesn't look so bad. So instead of delaying the investment, I'm going to go ahead with the technology.

The same are being instaled in canada, so no it has nothing to do with the raise of the minimum wage.

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
The same are being instaled in canada, so no it has nothing to do with the raise of the minimum wage.

Keep telling yourself that...

originally posted by: Edumakated

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
The same are being instaled in canada, so no it has nothing to do with the raise of the minimum wage.

Keep telling yourself that...

Well the minimum wage is higher that in most states,up north. and similar machines have been installed in different strores for the past 5 years, but yea i should go with made up stuff just cause i can, right.

a reply to: Edumakated

You bring up a great point. Are prices going to be cheaper, since there are less employees to pay?


OP, as far as how are they going to steal? You know as well as I do, humans find a way.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: Edumakated

You bring up a great point. Are prices going to be cheaper, since there are less employees to pay?


OP, as far as how are they going to steal? You know as well as I do, humans find a way.

Sure, but that can be any industry, right? Is there any industry out there today that isn't prone to a thief or someone trying to steal? The world is filled with sh*tty people, so I assume people will try, but I will also make the assumption that a company with infinite money, like Amazon, has thought about this and has already put security protocols in place to help protect its customers.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
a reply to: Edumakated

You bring up a great point. Are prices going to be cheaper, since there are less employees to pay?


OP, as far as how are they going to steal? You know as well as I do, humans find a way.

Prices won't necessarily be cheaper, maybe stabilized. Often times these moves are done to offset costs elsewhere like taxes and regulation. Labor is the usually the largest cost a business needs to deal with so it is the one that is typically attacked first when trying to reign in expenses.

Store prices will likely be more than site prices due to the bills even if people aren't employed as they would be in a normal store.

I figure to check it out being what it is and a possibly as to what will be more of the norm in the future. I really do feel for those caught up in not having much a choice outside of service sector employment.

originally posted by: jhn7537

eliminating the checkout clerks, the people who bag groceries, and the people who would be supervising those two groups..

Yes, a whole group of people under the age of 21 who generally stand around doing nothing but BS with their co-workers.

originally posted by: usernameconspiracy

Yeah, because this wasn't in the works already? This was coming regardless of wages. It started years ago and it won't stop until there are no jobs, regardless of pay, that a human can do. Technology is what is ruining this country and eventually the world, not a raise to the minimum wage....

We have the technology and scientific knowledge to feed everyone, clothe everyone, and house everyone on the planet.

The problem, though, is what will motivate people to live?

Some people are self-motivated, they want to learn, discover, create, and produce things. They don't need a job, just access to the resources to engage their motivations and stimulate their imaginations.

Money, today, is just the means by which scarce resources are allocated.

There are other ways to allocate resources. For example, we could give more resources to people who demonstrate more creative talent, and deny resources to people who just wastefully consume.

But, the future is jobless.

This is the real reason Trump is building a wall.

Everyone in the nation will be given credit at birth. That credit will be accessible in monthly installments.

You walk into a store, pick up what you want, and walk out.

Facial recognition will identify you, and "deduct" the appropriate amount from your monthly credit allowance.

No cash, no Checks, no Credit Cards, no Debit Cards, no Apps, nothing. Just you. That's all you need to walk with. Yourself.

Apart from the "base line cresit allowance" that every person will get, people can get extra credit by doing positive things for the society as a whole.

You see the method on YouTube. You put up a video, people view it, and vote "up" or "down" depending on what they think of your work.

Same in the future for all productivity. People will vote for whether they like your creations, ideas, products, etc..and instead of just stars and flags, or up-votes and down-votes, you'll get actual credits in your spend account, so you can go to the store and pick up more stuff.

You work on what you want, when you want, if you want, and wether or not you create anything at all you still get a basic "living wage", since everyone by consuming will be indirectly voting for the products introduced by others out there.

That's the future. Amazon has just fired the next shot on the path of transformations to the utopian society were raceing towards.

Of course, America can't have the Mexicans coming over the border to get all this free stuff.

The fact is, that in a truly capitalist society, you don't need a wall. Since, the realities of the flow of money take care of who should get what automatically.

It's only in communist and socialist societies that you need a wall, because of all the free stuff and entitlements that are being handed out, without "labor" being expended to earn it.

Yeah, google amazon and a few others are all working hard at making the whole sales experience automated. This is just creepy. I need to talk to people and help them do their jobs sometimes, its just life. People need jobs, even crappy ones.

When i contracted for microsoft they would always ask me how i could automate my job. The last contract i had they were making us take classes in automation software.

Seattle has changed quickly in the last 5 years, like a really odd development surge with gross condos/tracks and fake urban centers put in like SLU and SODO, now they are cranking on first hill and fremont and broadway. Nothing that was cool and unique before remains, they couldn't afford rent and moved to renton or puyallip. Its all now legal weed, coffee or some real trendy retail stuff.

I still love it here, i hang art in a ton of cool places and brighten rooms a little. If they had an art gallery where the art was chipped and you were charged when you left with it, i'd be open to that idea.