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What is.... "Real News"?

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posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:15 AM
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I think real news is a figment of someone's immagination. Propaganda usually.

I like when they talk about a big flood in a city somewhere and they are showing a street covered in three feet of water and houses flooded. A little research shows one or two blocks of a town flooded, the rest is no problem. So real news can make people think a disaster is way worse than it is. It can be real too, but often the viewer is being misled.




posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:18 AM
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Here, I will be more topical(and specific)

Real News = anything that makes Trump look bad
Fake News = anything that makes Hillary look bad

-Chris



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse
I think real news is a figment of someone's immagination. Propaganda usually.

I like when they talk about a big flood in a city somewhere and they are showing a street covered in three feet of water and houses flooded. A little research shows one or two blocks of a town flooded, the rest is no problem. So real news can make people think a disaster is way worse than it is. It can be real too, but often the viewer is being misled.


Yeah so in this scenario...

What is real about it???



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Darkmadness

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think real news is a figment of someone's immagination. Propaganda usually.

I like when they talk about a big flood in a city somewhere and they are showing a street covered in three feet of water and houses flooded. A little research shows one or two blocks of a town flooded, the rest is no problem. So real news can make people think a disaster is way worse than it is. It can be real too, but often the viewer is being misled.


Yeah so in this scenario...

What is real about it???


In this scenario, the fact that a few blocks were flooded was real, the news just says wide spread flooding, that is an opinion, wide spread can be based on opinion. People were led to believe half the city was under water, it was only s short area of residential area near the river, maybe one hundredth of one percent of the population was under water. Other residents may have had some water get into their basements a little from the rain or had a flooded yard for a half hour, but not much of what was implied was real.

I am thinking back to one event I saw on tv, one where I also knew someone who lived in the town and I chatted to them online. Mainstream media is often fake news.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: Darkmadness

Real news upholds the ethics of journalism, fake news eschews the ethics of journalism.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: Darkmadness
So I figured since we all have no idea what "fake news" actually means or what's being referenced with this new political narrative being driven home by big media corporations, we might want to define "Real News".

First let's look at what "Fake News" is.

Wiki

Since there's no real source of information for this I'm going with Wiki. If you care to redefine what fake news is to you then please do so without attacking the source.



Fake news websites are websites that publish hoaxes, propaganda, and disinformation to increase web traffic through sharing on social media. Unlike news satire, where humor is the object, fake news websites seek to increase their traffic by knowingly circulating false stories. Fake news websites have promoted misleading or factually incorrect information concerning the politics of several countries including: Germany, Indonesia and the Philippines, Sweden, China, Myanmar, Italy, France, Brazil, Australia, India, and the United States. Many of the false news sites are hosted in Russia, Macedonia, Romania, and the U.S.


Sooo..... who's deciding what a hoax is, or what's disinformation?

What's this narrative really mean and how did it work it's way onto the boards this quickly?

This reminds me of the "alt right", terms I never heard before it came out of Hillary's mouth.

Another Wiki

The Real News Network



The stated goal of The Real News is to provide independent, uncompromising, verifiable worldwide coverage of the critical issues of our times. The Real News provides forums where its work can be debated and criticized, purportedly in order to bring awareness of its potential biases and how such biases may affect the network's coverage.[5]

The Real News does not accept funding from advertising, governments, or corporations. Though the organization initially intended to sustain itself exclusively on viewer donations after its first three years of broadcast, it has not yet reached its sustainability goal. TRNN is therefore partially reliant upon grant money for its operating funds.[6]


Oddly enough their running on the value for value business model.

Who do you think this company was designed to target?

Have you seen the ratings change during this election cycle from CNN and MSNBC to...... you guessed it.... Alex Jones and other alternative media sources for information.

Have any of you noticed the rise in popularity of alternative news....???

I'm guessing that certain forces in this world have taken notice of the culture shift happening here in the US and other Western nations... similar to what just happened with BRexit and Italy... with more referendums to come.

I'm assuming that NGO's and other charitble organizations will be create as watchdog organizations to funnel money into the movement and help guide us in the "right" direction.

So back to my original question...

What's "Real News"... and who's going to define it?


Fake news is an attempt to delegitimize other sources of information. The left and their propaganda ARM, the mainstream media, have seen their industry's credibility called into question with the internet. The bias that we all knew existed has been fully exposed.

When you can't argue facts, you have to attack the source.

It is like this... I will post that Breitbart says 2 + 2 = 4. Instead of agreeing to the fact or presenting evidence to the contrary, someone will say that can't be true because it is from Breitbart and fake news.

Of course, what is comical is that we've seen all kinds of fake news from the mainstream media. Was it fake news when the MSM kepting parroting the lie of the polls predicting Hillary would win? There were plenty of "alt-right" news sites/blogs who said otherwise. Was it fake news when the mainstream media never questioned Obamacare and the lie about saving $2500/yr? Again, plenty of other sources pointed out the reality.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope




posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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Never mind.
edit on 2016-12-7 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:15 AM
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Here is some 'Real News'...

a President Donald..... a Pope Francis....


back in the days these people were young men.... they both had 'sissy' names

well.... the Zeitgeist of the mid 1950s gave us Americans a pretty conservative life & world view,
and Donalds were Ducks ~~Quack-Quack
and Francis' were Mules ~~ Talking mules at that

the 2012-2030 era seems to be shaping up as the Era of : Revenge of the Nerd named 50's sissies


Now you determin,e are the Above Revelations...... Fake-News ~or~ Real-News



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 10:35 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




Never mind.


:-)


edit on 12/7/2016 by Spiramirabilis because: sigh...



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 11:14 AM
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Real news: Stories that have evidence you can verify.

Fake news: Stories that don't.

Pretty simple if you take off your partisan glasses.




posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
Never mind.


Hey, this is the first time I've ever given you a star


-Chris



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: underwerks
Real news: Stories that have evidence you can verify.

Fake news: Stories that don't.

Pretty simple if you take off your partisan glasses.



You are aware that sometimes something happens and there is no evidence.
It's called 'getting away with it' and it happens more often in this world than you can think of.

Also forget the 'hunches' a detective might sometimes get when he speaks to a person and then goes to investigate. Hunches aren't evidence but they are often right. They are based on life experience.

The same with some alternative news sites. What they put out is often things we all have a 'hunch' about but nobody dares to investigate further. But by putting it out there, it will raise awareness and if lucky, they will get evidence because more people will hear about it.

To say that ALL stories you have no evidence for are FAKE is the single most worrying comment I've read in a long time.

I suppose ALL crimes without evidence also never happened?

Wow, I am gobsmacked.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 11:56 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666

originally posted by: underwerks
Real news: Stories that have evidence you can verify.

Fake news: Stories that don't.

Pretty simple if you take off your partisan glasses.


To say that ALL stories you have no evidence for are FAKE is the single most worrying comment I've read in a long time.

Not been reading ATS lately, huh?


And to the rest of your comments, opinion and hunches aren't factual news, they're opinion pieces. People used to know the difference.
edit on 7-12-2016 by underwerks because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 12:19 PM
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I am worn out with the manipulations. They are not even bothering to try to pretend they believe we are smart enough to see through their ruses anymore.

Our society is gleefully dancing around any piñata that TPTB dangles; waiting for our turn to whack it. We don't care what kind of crap comes falling out of it. We just want to pick it up and run with it.

I know it is hard not to jerk when you are being tasered, but don't line up for it.

All news is fake. They are only going to tell you what they want you to know. They are never going to tell you more than what they want you to know. Anyone that spills information they want to be kept quiet, they will be eliminated, discredited, or bought.

If they are pushing it, it is fake or a lie, and comes with an agenda.



edit on 7-12-2016 by NightSkyeB4Dawn because: Word edit.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 12:23 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

To be called "The Don" is far from sissy.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Hecate666

To say that ALL stories you have no evidence for are FAKE is the single most worrying comment I've read in a long time.

And rightfully so. Especially when someone else is holding the keys to the doors where the all the evidence is hidden.

Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence or truth.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Hecate666

To say that ALL stories you have no evidence for are FAKE is the single most worrying comment I've read in a long time.


Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence or truth.


Nor is it proof of guilt.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 12:54 PM
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Real news is just what the liberals believe on any typical day. No matter how fake the news is, it just depends on what they want to believe and then deem it "real news". I mean we seen it all happen for the last year. Hell, just a month ago, you could've tuned into any liberal media channel and they would tell you Trump had no chance at winning the Presidency. That Donald Trump being elected president would trigger the end of the world and all muslims would be rounded up in concentration camps because we're all nazi's. Heard it repeated over and over from the liberal MSM and the posters here on this site. Yet here we are with Trump as President-elect. The world is still spinning and sanctuary cities are still thriving and eating away at our tax dollars.



posted on Dec, 7 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: Hecate666

To say that ALL stories you have no evidence for are FAKE is the single most worrying comment I've read in a long time.


Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence or truth.


Nor is it proof of guilt.
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Agreed.

When there is lack of evidence because the person is innocent, there is rarely a problem. However, when a person is guilty of an egregious crime, and is labelled as innocent for lack of evidence, the result is not the same.

Many people have fallen victim to criminals that were amazingly clever with covering up their vile deeds, some of which are infamously legendary.

Some crimes are expected to be challenging to prove, because the perpetrators are not going to leave evidence around for the police to just pick up. For some it is even a game. Many don't get caught until their egos become so large that they make a mistake, or they grow weary of the game and wish to be caught.

High profile, wealthy pedophiles, are good at covering their tracks and erasing their mistakes.




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