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Chemtrails - Massive Alien Operation? (debunkers keep out)

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posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 01:11 AM
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note on the thread subject: debunkers keep out. we that know the chemtrail phenomenon is real do not wish to explain it any more to you. the evidence is there that something out of the ordinary is going on

Just a thought I had when reading this article.

This guy and some ex-RAF specialists determined that the planes, at least over Britain, resembled 757's but were maintaining speeds of 1200-1400 mph. Anyone who has seen the chemtrail planes know they are quiet as a church mouse. No one seems to know where these planes take off and land, and they don't seem to have to yield to national boundaries. What if this plot involves an alien race and all the leaders of the world, as many believe. Though the planes look like conventional airplanes, who's to say they aren't alien craft operating from an orbiting mothership or a mars base.

I have read on web sites that researchers of the plague era note that there are references to "foul-smelling mists" before outbreaks, often accompanied by lights in the sky. Don't ask me for the primary sources. I didn't find them in the quick searches i did. Things like these are going to be tough to dig up.

I can't say I know what they have been doing with the chemtrails all this time if they plan to release plague on us in the end. I also can't see what the point of the new world order police state would be if they plan to kill us all. Or maybe they are going to just kill the sheeple and take the rest to another galaxy.

I seem to find the DNA theory more plausible. That our DNA is naturally evolving as we get towards 2012 and the chemtrails are for repressing that evolution (or on the flipside maybe even enabling it). Chemtrail sickness could be an unavoidable reaction to the process. Note that most do not die from it.

Just some thoughts




posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 02:57 PM
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If you want more information, just shoot one down. I think that would be the best contribution to the topic yet.

[edit on 27-1-2005 by ChemicalAgent]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by joepits
note on the thread subject: debunkers keep out. we that know the chemtrail phenomenon is real do not wish to explain it any more to you. the evidence is there that something out of the ordinary is going on


Joe, thats not very neighborly of you now is it? ATS is an open community of both sckeptics and believers. If you are unsure that your position will not hold up to scrutiny, thats onethink, but to ask people NOT to post thier opinions kind of defeats the purpose of a community based discussion eh? May as well add a blinking sycophants only neon sign



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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I don't think its uncalled for. I'm sick of having every thread discussing chemtrails de-railed into an argument over whether or not they exist. This thread, therefore, is for those who think they exist and don't feel like arguing it anymore. As for what image I am portraying, I could really give two #s.



Originally posted by ChemicalAgent
If you want more information, just shoot one down. I think that would be the best contribution to the topic yet.

[edit on 27-1-2005 by ChemicalAgent]

You know the thought came to me last night. I even looked up the range on a shoulder mounted SAM. Though I think it would be futile as the FAA would lock that crash scene up and have Controlled Demolition take it all away long before any chemtrail researcher could investigate it.

[edit on 27-1-2005 by joepits]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 03:42 PM
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Simple, sneak into an RAF base and steal a couple of Rapiers, shoot the plane down.....BUT, before this shoot a UFO down so you can race to the crash site before anyone else does


Seriously though, there is some kinda weird 5h1t going on with these dam chemtrails, I reckon something bigs going down..........



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by joepits
note on the thread subject: debunkers keep out. we that know the chemtrail phenomenon is real do not wish to explain it any more to you. the evidence is there that something out of the ordinary is going on


Just who the heck are you to tell me what threads I can post on? If you really want a “debunker” free thread, then go to Carnicom or CTC where you and the other six people who believe in chemtrails can post all the absurd theories that you want to.


Originally posted by joepits

Just a thought I had when reading this article.

This guy and some ex-RAF specialists determined that the planes, at least over Britain, resembled 757's but were maintaining speeds of 1200-1400 mph.

What an absurd article and claim. Thanks


Originally posted by joepits
Anyone who has seen the chemtrail planes know they are quiet as a church mouse.

Most planes six miles over your head are hard to hear.


Originally posted by joepits
No one seems to know where these planes take off and land,

That is one of (the many, many) reasons that the whole chemtrail theory is bunk.


Originally posted by joepits
and they don't seem to have to yield to national boundaries.


And commercial air traffic does?



Originally posted by joepits
What if this plot involves an alien race and all the leaders of the world, as many believe. Though the planes look like conventional airplanes, who's to say they aren't alien craft operating from an orbiting mothership or a mars base.


Would this be the same mothership the Heavens Gate people were waiting for?

Originally posted by joepits


I can't say I know what they have been doing with the chemtrails all this time if they plan to release plague on us in the end. I also can't see what the point of the new world order police state would be if they plan to kill us all. Or maybe they are going to just kill the sheeple and take the rest to another galaxy.

“Oh Joe, the Aliens would like to have a word with you*


Originally posted by joepits


. . .Note that most do not die from it.


Note that no one has died from contrails. Please provide proof that someone has died from a "chemtrail."



Originally posted by joepits
You know the thought came to me last night. I even looked up the range on a shoulder mounted SAM. Though I think it would be futile as the FAA would lock that crash scene up and have Controlled Demolition take it all away long before any chemtrail researcher could investigate it.

[edit on 27-1-2005 by joepits]


You know, that is the kind of post that can get someone in a lot of trouble. I am deadly serious here Joe. All jokes aside, people who have made similar posts in the past have been visited by federal agents.


Originally posted by Zanzibar
Simple, sneak into an RAF base and steal a couple of Rapiers, shoot the plane down.....BUT, before this shoot a UFO down so you can race to the crash site before anyone else does


Seriously though, there is some kinda weird 5h1t going on with these dam chemtrails, I reckon something bigs going down..........


Look. No one in his right mind would make a joke about having a “nine inch cannon in his shorts” while going through the check in at an airport. This is the same type of thing. Jokes like that can be easily misconstrued.

Remember freedom of speech does not mean freedom from responsibility for what you say.



*Spongebob reference



[edit on 27-1-2005 by HowardRoark]


dh

posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 05:19 PM
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To be quite honest, I couldn't download joepits' article, but I fully understand the theme, and why he should resent the incessant intervention of the likes of Howard and off the street
Much as I respect their views, the analysis of a re-occurring phenomenon does have to be shared and investigated without having to fight every corner
So while respecting the interpolation, I would suggest that it is possible to collect references from sympathetic people, joepits

Investigate the following links to fight back against a simultaneously objective and subjective phenomenon

After all our belief systems put it out there, they can also end it

www.metatech.org...&_orgone_generator.html

www.cloud-busters.com...

forums.cloud-busters.com...

boards.ethericfreedomfighters.com...

forums.cloud-busters.com... Other Issues/1487/

educate-yourself.org...

www.ethericwarriors.com...

www.warriormatrix.com...


[edit on 27-1-2005 by dh]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 06:03 PM
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HowardRoark...what a troll.



[edit on 27-1-2005 by joepits]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by joepits
HowardRoark...what a troll.


They say it takes one to know ine, right, Joe?

Do you have a specific issue with my post?



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 09:30 PM
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joepits
Chemtrail sickness could be an unavoidable reaction to the process. Note that most do not die from it.


I have never before heard of chemtrail sickness. What are the symptoms?

When you say "most do not die from it" are you suggesting that some people have died from it, and if so, do you have any evidence or links you could share?


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posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 10:23 PM
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Of course I'm going to be ridiculed for saying this, but the book I read by Willliam Thomas had a lot of cases of health care workers who reported being flooded with patients on days proceeding heavy spray days. Symptoms are similar to flu with no fever though. What I've heard is it is a fungal or mycoplasma infection.

Here is a list from willthomas.net

Allergies, sore and blocked sinuses;
Dry, hacking, persistent cough;
Nosebleeds, blood in mucous;
Swollen, burning, teary eyes with mucous;
Flu-like, fever, sore throat;
Pneumonia, upper respiratory;
Mycoplasma infections;
Migraine or splitting headaches;
Pain in back of neck, particularly at the
top of the spine, extremely stiff neck;
Disorientation, foggy brain, sudden dizziness;
Extreme fatigue, lethargy, inability to concentrate;
Loud ringing in your ears;
Depression, anxiety attacks;
Gastrointestinal distress, bloating;
Diarrhoea, bloody stools; joint pain,
Aching joints and muscles;
Thirst (your pets, too) or loss of appetite;
Loss of bladder control, tics or spasms;
Recurring fungal infections;
Metallic, oily or corrosive smell and taste

[edit on 27-1-2005 by joepits]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by joepits
note on the thread subject: debunkers keep out.




That won't fly here....it's not a regular board, it's a conspiracy board, and anyone can into whichever threads they want to. As to the trails....I'm just learning about them, so I really don't know that much.....I always thought it was just the heat from the engines hitting the colder air.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by joepits
Of course I'm going to be ridiculed for saying this, but the book I read by Willliam Thomas had a lot of cases of health care workers who reported being flooded with patients on days proceeding heavy spray days.




Of course you are going to be ridiculed for it


Proceeding?

Don't you mean "After?"

Your symptom list seems to include every possible symptom known to man, yet Will left out the most comoon chemtrail illness of all:

recalcitrant plebney





[edit on 27-1-2005 by HowardRoark]



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by LadyV
I always thought it was just the heat from the engines hitting the colder air.


Close, It's not rally the heat, rather the water that is a normal byproduct of combustion. At 30,000 feet the outside air temperature is -40F or so. That's cold.



posted on Jan, 27 2005 @ 11:24 PM
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"You know the thought came to me last night. I even looked up the range on a shoulder mounted SAM. Though I think it would be futile as the FAA would lock that crash scene up and have Controlled Demolition take it all away long before any chemtrail researcher could investigate it."

That is scary man... I was obviously joking.

[edit on 27-1-2005 by ChemicalAgent]



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 02:47 PM
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I have never really followed this much but can someone explain to me the differences between the trails that disappear and the ones that expand to cover a fairly large portion of the sky please? That's always puzzled me.


jra

posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Faceless
I have never really followed this much but can someone explain to me the differences between the trails that disappear and the ones that expand to cover a fairly large portion of the sky please? That's always puzzled me.


Well you're going to get two differnt answers for that question. I'll tell you what I know and believe. The trails that stay in the sky hours or even days and sometimes expand to cover the sky are the same as the trails that don't stay for very long. It all depends if the conditions are right. If I remember right, it needs to be around -40C and the humidity in the air needs to be around 100% or so. Even if it's hot down on the ground, it can still get that cold up there easily. So when the hot engine exaust (which is mostly water vapour) comes out the back and into the freezing cold air, it turns into basicly what is known as cirrus clouds. So if you're near a busy commercial airway, you'll get a lot of these persistant contrails(if the conditions are right). And the wind at that altitude can spread it out and make it cover the sky.

Some people believe that these persistant contrails are actually "chemtrails". They believe that since they stay in the sky longer, that they are differnt and that there are chemicals in the trail that help it last longer. Or something like that anyway.

It's up to you to decide what you want to believe though. I suggest you research all that you can and check out some of the other threads on "chemtrails" here.

[edit on 28-1-2005 by jra]



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 04:00 PM
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I have also noticed some that disappear and reappear later and grow larger.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by ChemicalAgent
That is scary man... I was obviously joking.
[edit on 27-1-2005 by ChemicalAgent]

As was I.



posted on Jan, 28 2005 @ 05:04 PM
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joepits...Guess what?
The mention of 'debunkers keep out' was unnecessary and uncalled for.
When asked on this, your response was found wanting and uncalled for.
Your continued behavior is also uncalled for.

As such, thread closed.
If you have any problems with this, my humble suggestion would be to file a complaint/suggestion for staff review and determination.



seekerof

[edit on 28-1-2005 by Seekerof]




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