a reply to: rickymouse
I wouldn't say it is a sense of entitlement in California. But I do agree with your assessment that places like New York and the East in general have
entirely too much influence over the U.S. in general, and this is one of the reasons for disconnect, and why I believe that eventual secession and
break up of the U.S. is inevitable, and probably a good thing.
One of the problems in California, like I said, is the amount of outside influence the state has. Much of the "Liberal" establishment in California is
actually outsiders taking advantage of the social and cultural climate of California and the west, which was one open minded tolerance of different
systems and a willingness to try new things. The authoritarian nature of the liberal establishment in California came from the Eastern Seaboard
liberals migrating out our way. When you look at both the west and east coasts, whether left or right politically, you will find that everything out
west naturally tends more towards a laid back, less authoritarian, less in your face, where the east coast is way more establishment, way more
authoritarian in nature, from a cultural, social, and political perspective. In fact, this dynamic was one of the reasons so many people from the East
migrated west, but far fewer went the other direction. It is because the west in general tended to be a place more open to innovation, change,
invention, and a newer, less fixed order. This isn't just the coast, but many of the states west of the Rockies.
If you want a good example of this, look no further than the three most notoriously annoying, useless senators and represenatives from California:
Diane Feinstein, Barbra Boxer, and Nancy Pelosi. Of those three, only Feinstein is a California Native. Boxer was from NYC, and Pelosi from Maryland.
This trend has actually been a problem since the early 70s, when the outside Liberals really swarmed in numbers from everywhere. Hell, actually being
a native born Californian was a relatively rare thing then, and still is now.
But again, it is not just the liberals to blame. Outside conservatism also threatens native conservatism. And in California, the native conservative
establishment was actually much closer to libertarianism, even amongst Republicans. Hell, growing up and in my youth, it was one of the reasons I
leaned towards the conservatives, and favored them. With all the out of state left wing moonbats squaking up in Berkley and Frisco, it was the sane,
rational conservatives that won my respect. But they were nothing like the mass of conservatives and Republicans today. They were actually sane,
reasonable, realistic. They managed to support and represent conservative values very well without bringing religion or emotion or dumbed down
rhetoric into the discussion. But again, outside influence is also ruining this.
One of the reasons state taxation is so insane in California, is because they state does not like depending on the feds for anything. Like I said, it
wants to be its own self sufficient state. However, it still has to pay taxes to the feds and the rest of the country, and is subject to the feds bs
as well. Including the feds coming in and trying to overturn everything they do. And it is clear that the west coast and the feds don't agree on
I'll give you a few examples. Back in 1996, California had two controversial props that passed. The first everyone knows and loves: the first legal
medical marijuana laws. I'm sure you know the continuing saga of the feds and our beloved plant. But another prop that got passed and denied by the
feds, but ignored. was the one ending affirmative action. Yes, even in the "loony liberal" state of California, we tried to get rid of affirmative
action (I was still living there at the time, and voted). But the feds said no. And we battled. It just goes to show you that the problems I am
talking about go far beyond the west coast just being mad leftists. We aren't. We are, apparently, a completely different country and society now from
the rest of the country, but especially the old establishment back east.
And it isn't just the west, either. The other states and regions who want their own secession movements have pretty valid reasons and beefs of their
own with the federal government and union, and of them, I would say they are definitely culturally, politically, and socially different from us to
validate being a seperate country of their own. I actually see the U.S. breaking up in the next 30 years due to a number of long standing issues that
transcend party and whose clown occupies the white house.