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MI recount: fresh details emerging on widespread discrepencies in Detroit precincts

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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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Detroit election officials in Wayne county (largest county in MI) are now admitting that there were widespread "problems" in totaling votes in more than half of precincts. This article gives you a taste of what to expect in the coming days from the MI recount. Take for example the below quote....



Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month. Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.....The city is in contact with elections officials at the state of Michigan and is predicting the numbers will match when the ballot boxes are re-opened for the recount, which starts Tuesday in Wayne County at Cobo Center.


So the numbers didn't match when they were stored away, but they will now?



State law spells out a prescribed criteria for determining whether a precinct can be recounted. Workers first check to make sure the number of ballots on the seal of the container matches the ballots recorded by workers on Election Day. “If the seal number matches, then we know it’s not been tampered with,” Rozell said. If numbers don’t match, then workers can count all of the ballots in the precinct twice to see if there was an error made by workers on Election Night.


Huh? How exactly does counting them twice determine anything?

Detroit News
edit on 5-12-2016 by Voiceofthemajority because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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Figures, they made not a peep in that article about what direction the findings show what from what they see so far.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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hang chads anyone ? glad its not Florida we looked stupid teh first time now its some elles turn .



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: midnightstar

You might tidy up that sentence structure to actually bust us the myth.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:20 PM
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Im not sure I understand?

Are they saying that in the areas that voted for Hillary that they have found discrepancies?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Figures, they made not a peep in that article about what direction the findings show what from what they see so far.


What are you talking about?...



Disqualifying huge numbers of precincts would make it “almost impossible” for the former New York senator to make up the votes, said Ernest Johnson, a Democratic political activist who worked to get out the vote for Clinton.

“It’s a real long-shot now because, if I were looking for 10,000 votes, the first place I’d look is Wayne County,” Johnson said. “That’s a huge problem. 





posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
Im not sure I understand?

Are they saying that in the areas that voted for Hillary that they have found discrepancies?


Yes.

Shock.....not.......



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

What a mess Michigan. Get your s# together.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Michigan should have been overwhelmingly for Clinton. The fact that if a label on a bag doesn't match the number of ballots in a bag cannot be recounted is just nuts.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:07 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Hey, blame Wayne County. I've spent enough time under the bus!


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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: reldra

That's not what happened. More votes were counted than ballots passed out it appears. If that is the case they will hand count every ballot first to make sure the numbers line up. If they don't then that district will either lose ALL of their votes or go by the ORIGINAL tally. Either way it's bad news for Stein and Clinton



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:18 PM
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originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: reldra

That's not what happened. More votes were counted than ballots passed out it appears. If that is the case they will hand count every ballot first to make sure the numbers line up. If they don't then that district will either lose ALL of their votes or go by the ORIGINAL tally. Either way it's bad news for Stein and Clinton


I watched the video. State law says if the label does not match the bag, then it won't be counted, but then she goes on to say she thinks they will be counted. So, the law says no yet she says maybe.


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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:31 PM
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Wouldnt it be sh*thouse if the democrats cheated (but it wasnt enough) then used their cheating to say the election is invalid as there was widespread cheating.


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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:40 PM
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originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Michigan should have been overwhelmingly for Clinton. The fact that if a label on a bag doesn't match the number of ballots in a bag cannot be recounted is just nuts.





Why?

Why should Michigan have gone to Clinton, to be more specific.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:52 PM
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originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

Michigan should have been overwhelmingly for Clinton. The fact that if a label on a bag doesn't match the number of ballots in a bag cannot be recounted is just nuts.





Sorry, it should not go Clinton..at all, let alone overwhelmingly.



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 06:56 PM
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it wasn`t just a few precincts it was almost %60 of them, that`s 6 out of every 10 precincts,they had more precincts with wrong counts than correct counts.
with all the modern technology and 240 years of experience to draw on and THEY STILL CAN`T GET VOTE COUNTING RIGHT! and lets not even get into how much it costs to hold these elections,and the best that they can manage to do is to get 4 out of 10 correct.
what happened to the american work ethic where people strive to be the best,at this point I would even settle for mediocre,but this,this is complete FAIL on every level.

This isn`t brain surgery, this isn`t trying to land a probe on a comet 50 bazillion miles from earth, this is just counting.
I`ve seen impoverished 3rd world countries do a better job of holding elections than Detroit has done.such a pathetic excuse for a modern American city,shameful and embarrassing.
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posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 07:01 PM
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Now here's a quandry...what happens if Trump has election overturned in the rest of the state, but the ORIGINAL count stands in 60% of the districts in the most populous county in the state? Especially since there are more votes cast than ballots handed out inmany of them? What kind of a mess would that become?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: Tardacus
it wasn`t just a few precincts it was almost %60 of them, that`s 6 out of every 10 precincts,they had more precincts with wrong counts than correct counts.
with all the modern technology and 240 years of experience to draw on and THEY STILL CAN`T GET VOTE COUNTING RIGHT! and lets not even get into how much it costs to hold these elections,and the best that they can manage to do is to get 4 out of 10 correct.
what happened to the american work ethic where people strive to be the best,at this point I would even settle for mediocre,but this,this is complete FAIL on every level.

This isn`t brain surgery, this isn`t trying to land a probe on a comet 50 bazillion miles from earth, this is just counting.
I`ve seen impoverished 3rd world countries do a better job of holding elections than Detroit has done.such a pathetic excuse for a modern American city,shameful and embarrassing.


I mean it's been controlled by Democrats for decades, at this point what should we expect?



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 07:30 PM
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a reply to: Voiceofthemajority

This part of their recount policy does not make sense:


According to state law, precincts whose poll books don’t match with ballots can’t be recounted. If that happens, original election results stand.
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“The certified election results would stand if a precinct is determined to be non-recountable,” Byrum told reporters.


If they are going to recount, isn't the whole purpose to be sure that the ballots match the poll books and totals?
I don't understand why if the totals don't match - they would just accept the original certified results.
Doesn't that completely undermine the entire purpose of a recount?

I think that if this changes the outcome of the election, Trump would certainly have good cause to appeal.



edit on 12/5/16 by BlueAjah because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2016 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: BlueAjah

That's exactly what I was saying two posts above yours. Everything gets recounted EXCEPT for precincts that definitely DO have discrepancies. How could that hold up?




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