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originally posted by: RickinVa
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: kaylaluv
Hey if you miss the target, "penis or vagina" I guess you can always say, "sorry I can to tell what the hell you are".
Or here's a thought: you could politely ask. To hell with manners, though, right?
Sure comes up all the time when I meet new people. First thing I ask is do you have a penis or a vagina.
originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: kaylaluv
Hey if you miss the target, "penis or vagina" I guess you can always say, "sorry I can to tell what the hell you are".
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ColdWisdom
How is it confusing people? If they live in every way as a female, you would not know they had a penis unless you looked in their underwear.
Drag queens may or may not live in every way as a female. Most just dress up sometimes and the rest of the time live as the other gender. Drag queens are not the issue here.
If they tell you they are female, and they have a female name and they dress as a female all the time, it would be gracious to refer to them as female. You don't need to know whether they have their original plumbing or not. Some are waiting for the right time to have the surgery, some are afraid of having the surgery, some are content with living as a female in every other way. It's really none of your business what they have in their underwear. If they tell you they are female, and they have a female name, and they dress as a female all the time, refer to them a female.
originally posted by: Bone75
originally posted by: kaylaluv
I'd be willing to bet you could go through your whole life in NYC and never have a situation come up like this.
You don't get out much do you?
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: ColdWisdom
How is it confusing people? If they live in every way as a female, you would not know they had a penis unless you looked in their underwear.
Drag queens may or may not live in every way as a female. Most just dress up sometimes and the rest of the time live as the other gender. Drag queens are not the issue here.
If they tell you they are female, and they have a female name and they dress as a female all the time, it would be gracious to refer to them as female. You don't need to know whether they have their original plumbing or not. Some are waiting for the right time to have the surgery, some are afraid of having the surgery, some are content with living as a female in every other way. It's really none of your business what they have in their underwear. If they tell you they are female, and they have a female name, and they dress as a female all the time, refer to them a female.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Krakatoa
I think that 99.99999999999% of the time, "she" and "her" will do quite well for a transgender female. For that .00000000001% of the time it won't, you could avoid personal pronouns and just use their name. Again, if you think you are going to come across a lot of ze's and zir's in your life, you'd better run out and buy your powerball tickets, cuz you got a much better chance than anyone else of winning.
originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: kaylaluv
Then that isn't really a legit transition? Is it?
Drag queens don't tell people they've 'transitioned' because they dress up like women.
If you're going to say you've 'transitioned' it should imply that you've had the reassignment surgery. If they haven't then they are just confusing people and making it harder for society to accept trans folk.
originally posted by: Abysha
Mean-spirited people will pretend to be confused but they aren't. Unless they are just super duper dense.
originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
originally posted by: Abysha
Mean-spirited people will pretend to be confused but they aren't. Unless they are just super duper dense.
It's not mean spirited!
Would you consider the way you seem happy to interchange drag queens with transvestites as if they are the same thing, mean spirited.
You can call people ignorant, that will always be true. But you can't automatically assign hatred to ignorance.
originally posted by: Abysha
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't referring to transfolk and drag queens in an interchangeable way. Quite the opposite, I was pointing out the distinction.
originally posted by: Krakatoa
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Krakatoa
I think that 99.99999999999% of the time, "she" and "her" will do quite well for a transgender female. For that .00000000001% of the time it won't, you could avoid personal pronouns and just use their name. Again, if you think you are going to come across a lot of ze's and zir's in your life, you'd better run out and buy your powerball tickets, cuz you got a much better chance than anyone else of winning.
An d in that small chance, there is the risk of being sued. Yeah, that is real tolerant of them.
SMFH
originally posted by: jonnywhite
I read an article recently about trasgenders and he described how on one day he brokedown emotionally after being called "her" several times.