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Now we have total awareness but we cannot do anything with it

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posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 03:34 PM
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Oliver Stone told in an Interview with Dutch television (NIEUWSUUR) about his film "Snowden: The Movie" that NSA intends to have total awareness of what everybody is doing and thinking.

But the technological developments are such that it becomes increasingly easy for everybody to fake and manipulate digital information. So digital information cannot beyond reasonable doubt be used as evidence, not external in court of law or NSA to police but also not internal like NSA employee to NSA employee or NSA department to NSA department.

We have now a case in Holland where a container harbor manager is on parole waiting for trial, a formal criminal partner has made a voice recording of this manager where he still gives tips how to smuggle drugs in containers, this is now used against the manager to get him again jailed. But who says? The audio voice recording can be "photoshopped" We don't know anymore

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posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 03:43 PM
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No we don't have "Total awareness" and neither will we.

A few have woken up, it's been a good morning, not a perfect day.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 04:17 PM
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That scenario was played out in "Foundation" by Isaac Asimov in the 1950's. Faking audio is not particularly new. Welcome to the "chain of custody" and the rules of forensic evidence. Detectives are up against this problem daily. Heirs and inheritance is another field where this is very important. Is that will "real"? That this sort of thing can be faked does not mitigate that the real stuff is out there it's just that the total evidence "package" is more than the evidence itself and includes quite a lot of meta-data (effectively data about the data.) It certainly complicates things, but it is not insurmountable.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 05:24 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler
That scenario was played out in "Foundation" by Isaac Asimov in the 1950's. Faking audio is not particularly new. Welcome to the "chain of custody" and the rules of forensic evidence. Detectives are up against this problem daily. Heirs and inheritance is another field where this is very important. Is that will "real"? That this sort of thing can be faked does not mitigate that the real stuff is out there it's just that the total evidence "package" is more than the evidence itself and includes quite a lot of meta-data (effectively data about the data.) It certainly complicates things, but it is not insurmountable.


its a cat and mouse game, sometimes the fakers are more cunning, smarter and more advanced, sometimes the forensic experts can detect without reasonable doubt that something is fake, all depends how much money, skills and knowledge is behind the two parties



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: galien8

originally posted by: schuyler
That scenario was played out in "Foundation" by Isaac Asimov in the 1950's. Faking audio is not particularly new. Welcome to the "chain of custody" and the rules of forensic evidence. Detectives are up against this problem daily. Heirs and inheritance is another field where this is very important. Is that will "real"? That this sort of thing can be faked does not mitigate that the real stuff is out there it's just that the total evidence "package" is more than the evidence itself and includes quite a lot of meta-data (effectively data about the data.) It certainly complicates things, but it is not insurmountable.


its a cat and mouse game, sometimes the fakers are more cunning, smarter and more advanced, sometimes the forensic experts can detect without reasonable doubt that something is fake, all depends how much money, skills and knowledge is behind the two parties


Nevertheless, the real information is out there to be collected. That the proletariat and unschooled can't tell the difference is really immaterial. That's why the chain of custody with evidence is so important, PRECISELY to mitigate against a photo-shopped world. It's not as if we don't know about that stuff these days. ALL evidence, even first-hand eye-witness evidence, is subject to scrutiny these days.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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originally posted by: Cobaltic1978
No we don't have "Total awareness" and neither will we.

A few have woken up, it's been a good morning, not a perfect day.

I agree. We can never be totally aware because we can only see and hear within a limited range. Add to it the problem that our brain is limited in how, and how quickly, it processes data input. Add further still, the obstacles to the processing of that data including chemical, mental, and emotional obstacles.

Recently I realized after attending an education seminar, that I had been blind to so much that was sitting in front of my face the whole time. I lapsed into a blue funk for a couple of days because it was quite a shock. Not the information in the seminar. It wasn't on anything new, or nothing that if you knew what to look for, you couldn't find on the internet easily.

It was the coming together of all the pieces, that finally made the image crystal clear. I feel like a dunce. It is one thing to have a box of Legos that can be put together by 50 different people, and each coming up with a different construction. It is a whole other thing to look at each of the constructions and realize that they are all the same. All just Lego pieces. Each just as real, just as valid, just as true.



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 05:27 AM
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originally posted by: schuyler

Nevertheless, the real information is out there to be collected.



OK! The real evidence is out there but no one can without reasonable doubt detect it, just like one cannot fully trust everything one's sees, reads, hears or what is happening to one on the Internet. The Mathematical Statistics science does not seem to apply anymore. However on the Internet and in the real world the NSA, because of this supposed "total awareness" thing, is trying to force a predestination on everybody because of perhaps fake data.

THERE IS NO TRUTH OUTSIDE MATHEMATICS

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posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 06:29 AM
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a reply to: galien8

So the rich will be able to defend against falsified evidence but the common guy is # out of luck. As if anyone will spend a lot of time and money when the defending party is not worth much economically (like minimum wage) and/or hasn't got the right connections. Law and courts in the Netherlands are not right anyway but you only find that out by personal experience. There is just this huge elephant anyone can see if they dare to look, but nobody wants to and continue to believe in a pretty picture how everything is all peachy, not just in courts but also healthcare because otherwise action might be required or a lot of frustration might arise by being powerless to do anything about it anyway.

Speech technology is pretty far by the way: pitchfork.com...
So in the near future it'll be easier to create videos including speech and get rid of unwanted elements in society, or at least make sure they will not be able to influence anyone, probably their siblings as well once a family name is tainted.



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 06:30 AM
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a reply to: galien8


Text THERE IS NO TRUTH OUTSIDE MATHEMATICS 

This may be true but it is a premise that is pushing us to the edge a d maybe off the cliff.

Predictive analytics is creeping into everything. It may soon be a prevailing factor in whether you live or die, since insurance companies and CMS think of it as a useful tool in keeping health care cost under their control.



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 06:44 AM
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originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
a reply to: galien8

So the rich will be able to defend against falsified evidence but the common guy is # out of luck. As if anyone will spend a lot of time and money when the defending party is not worth much economically (like minimum wage) and/or hasn't got the right connections. Law and courts in the Netherlands are not right anyway but you only find that out by personal experience. There is just this huge elephant anyone can see if they dare to look, but nobody wants to and continue to believe in a pretty picture how everything is all peachy, not just in courts but also healthcare because otherwise action might be required or a lot of frustration might arise by being powerless to do anything about it anyway.

Speech technology is pretty far by the way: pitchfork.com...
So in the near future it'll be easier to create videos including speech and get rid of unwanted elements in society, or at least make sure they will not be able to influence anyone, probably their siblings as well once a family name is tainted.


Good quote. applies here, SCHOPENHAUER

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posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: galien8


Text THERE IS NO TRUTH OUTSIDE MATHEMATICS 

This may be true but it is a premise that is pushing us to the edge a d maybe off the cliff.

Predictive analytics is creeping into everything. It may soon be a prevailing factor in whether you live or die, since insurance companies and CMS think of it as a useful tool in keeping health care cost under their control.


...and precriming ;-)



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
a reply to: galien8

So the rich will be able to defend against falsified evidence but the common guy is # out of luck.

...

... and get rid of unwanted elements in society, or at least make sure they will not be able to influence anyone, probably their siblings as well once a family name is tainted.



Yes! Thats why we must forbid, not believe and not submit to any kind of digital evidence in court of law, thats the Achilles Heel of the NSA total awareness concept



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 04:30 PM
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a reply to: galien8


Its like a deal with the devil: NSA gets total awareness, total control (can plant fake digital evidence anywhere) but can't do anything with it
cannot use it in courts anymore



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 07:28 PM
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originally posted by: galien8
a reply to: galien8


Its like a deal with the devil: NSA gets total awareness, total control (can plant fake digital evidence anywhere) but can't do anything with it
cannot use it in courts anymore
Not being able to use evidence in court has not stopped the law enforcement process. There are a thousand and one other ways they can use the information, and once you are in the database, regardless of how you got there, legally or illegally, you are in the database.

When the database becomes large enough, not being in the database will make you an easier target.

Say they are looking for a particular person and they have 1000 that are chipped or biometrically tagged, and they have 100 that aren't. It will be easier to find the untagged person than the tagged person, so not carrying the tag will not allow you to fly under the radar, it will light you up like a Christmas tree.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I get your idea: if you cannot beat them, join them
but I won't bough for the big brother is watching you beast :-|



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 04:01 PM
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originally posted by: galien8
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

I get your idea: if you cannot beat them, join them
but I won't bough for the big brother is watching you beast :-|


You read it all wrong. I would never encourage going along to get along, and I will die before I join them.

What I was attempting to do was to let people know that not being chipped or tagged is not going to prevent them from being identified. There is no security in not being tagged.

Refusing to become a part of a corrupt system is no more effective in halting that system than going along with it. You will be identified as a nonconformist, targeted and penalized. The change we need is the word change used as a verb. A verb is an action word.



posted on Dec, 15 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn
a reply to: galien8


Text THERE IS NO TRUTH OUTSIDE MATHEMATICS 

This may be true but it is a premise that is pushing us to the edge a d maybe off the cliff.

Predictive analytics is creeping into everything. It may soon be a prevailing factor in whether you live or die, since insurance companies and CMS think of it as a useful tool in keeping health care cost under their control.


...there is no truth outside mathematics, and inside mathematics there is only probability... :-(



posted on Dec, 16 2016 @ 07:48 PM
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It's because the "total awareness" isn't total awareness, it's a sham.

You've been told that something that's fake is real as a diversion to the stuff that's real.

There is so much about the Edward Snowden "official story" that doesn't make sense that the whole thing is obviously a sham. If it's a sham, it's designed to be a very public "conspiracy" to make everyone think they know what's going on so that they don't investigate any deeper to find out what's really happening.

Edward Snowden's information about the NSA, and the details of how he got past supposedly the highest level of security checks and "convinced others to share their passwords to gain more access" make no sense. A grade 8 Middle School kid would have taken one look at his Facebook bio during his security vetting and found out that he was an anti Government subversive who was famous for creating hacking tools, and this would have flagged him as a security risk before he was even hired.

And apparently security at NSA is so bad that easy to shut down flash drive ports are open on their servers for easy transfer of data, if the official story is to be believed.

If the basis of the story makes no sense, then the big picture of the story is nonsense.

So, if you think you have "total awareness" because Edward Snowden revealed illegal activity at the NSA, you're heading down the wrong path and avoiding what's really going on, and being made to think that you're really aware of what is the truth, when you're really being led by the nose away from what is actually happening.



posted on Dec, 17 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: babybunnies

It's because the "total awareness" isn't total awareness, it's a sham.



the NSA / CIA and all other intelligence services tap illegally the collective consciousness, which belongs to God (THE ARCHITECT)



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