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Opinion: USA Now a Hatchling Parliamentary Monarchy

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posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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I've been thinking hard about this for the last couple of hours, and spoken with my husband about the whole entire post-election thing, and all the swirling morass of 'cybercrowd sourcing'.

I believe we are actually in WW3 now. The sophisticated and "developed" countries are using technology and that includes media. The less advanced (technologically) are using WW2 tactics.
But this is just as real as the English Civil War was back in the 1600s. King Charles - the monarch - wanted taxes for his navy. "Ships-money". The population (those dependent on the nobleman who was governor of all who lived on his holdings) was suffering. So the noblemen told the King "no. We are not going to collect your "ships money." We can't afford it. The people can't afford it, and you are crazy.

Meanwhile, Oliver Cromwell started preaching to people about the Bible and Hell, and saying that the Church of England (the official church of the state) was too liberal. So they pitched a fit.....and sailed away....

and then Pilgrims, and now here we are 500 years later.

Bible-thumpers are upset at the Government (in our case, "Congress;" back then and over there, it is "Parliament." Same dog different color). The Noblemen (Governors) are sketchy caretakers at best. Lots of their peasants are starving and revolting.

So - here we are again! A new civil war, the haves and the have-nots have reached the boiling point. Here we go again......
and my prediction is that as the next four years go by, we will have a Parliamentary Monarchy. Because this whole thing is really no different than The Madness of King George during the Revolution.


So, now - we have our own royals. The Trumps. He'll have his gilt toilet, his crown, and his name in lights everywhere....and his handlers will keep him under control. Like the Queen --- lots of people love her, and others don't, and she's a reptilian or a symbol of grace -- but she doesn't really have any sayso except about her family.

And that's what we have effectively become. Only just crawling, but soon to be a full-fledged Kingdom.

The song "America" (my country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty) is the EXACT SAME PIECE OF MUSIC - just different lyrics......as "God Save the Queen"!


"My Country, 'Tis of Thee", also known as "America", is an American patriotic song, whose lyrics were written by Samuel Francis Smith.[2] The melody used is the same as that of the national anthem of the United Kingdom, "God Save the Queen", arranged by Thomas Arne. The song served as one of the de facto national anthems of the United States (along with songs like "Hail, Columbia") before the adoption of "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the official anthem in 1931.[3]



Yeah. Cycles, people. Cycles. We are now 500 years ago. But with nicer digs and cleaner towns.






edit on 12/3/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: Yeah, still just a squawling hatchling....liable to get pecked to death. The USA is a 'hatchling' Parliamentary Monarchy, and in no way ready for it yet.




posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Ok so what i got from your post was this.

Oliver Cromwell is really Trump Reincarnated. He must be stopped!!!!!!!!!!! (also known as classic paranoia).

[my words]World War 3 Never really ended. It's up to the over 30% to stand up and say something or it's going to continue.

That's it.

End.
edit on 3-12-2016 by JesusXst because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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We just avoided ww3 by electing Trump. Here is a link
www.morningledger.com...



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:52 AM
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It's like "House Arrest." He will never be left alone anymore, ever. He will be tailed by a team of bodyguards ("Secret Service" - why the hell do they call it that, anyway? They're anything but 'secretive' at all times.)

Now - here's the important point: So will his children. And so will his cabinet members. And that means they are all WITH SUPERVISION at all times.

Like "House arrest" indeed.
The people he's hiring will also be under heavy 'security' surveillance - for better or worse.

Like PAPARAZZI, but armed with GUNS and RAYBANS......not just cameras and drooling screechers in love with Beef Supreme....no. These guys are armed, serious, and dangerous. They are a death squad. They aren't escorting Justin Beiber or Casey Anthony to their respective rides.

Congress does not HAVE to do what Trump says.
Just like they said "no" to Obama's every whim, they can (but might not) refuse Trump's intentions. The other day I heard a recorded conversation between two good friends who were discussing Trump having the nuclear code command. The soldier of the two said there is a military mandate that the guy with the "football" (the 'nuclear trigger module') has a sworn duty TO REFUSE TO DO THE BIDDING of the Commander in Chief if he, the gatekeeper in possession of the football, believes it is a depraved and horrendous mistake.

So, there's that.
Whether that is true or not, I haven't looked up.
But - these are the things I'm thinking about, and considering....Just wanted to share my thoughts and invite others to journal along with me. How are you thinking about all of this?


edit on 12/3/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs
It's all the same game, just different names.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:55 AM
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a reply to: JesusXst

wrong on all counts, and shallow to boot.
You missed it entirely.

No. Trump is King Charles, who Congress rebelled against.

Trump is also King George who went mad during the American Revolution - in charge of a war but out of his mind. So his handlers took over.

Trump is Queen Elizabeth. He is a "monarch", a delusional ultra rich boss-man who is being humored, while Congress makes the real decisions.

He is a figurehead, and has no sway over the actual running of the country.


See? See how OFF BASE you were with your kneejerk poorly formed impulsive reactivity?

Yeah. Thanks for the example.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:57 AM
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a reply to: underwerks

Exactly. It's somehow comforting to be able to say, "Oooohhh...yeah...this happened 500 years ago, and it also happened 2,000 years ago, and again 1,400 years ago." From an anthropological point of view - it's fascinating.


I think of it like watching a zoo exhibit......I'm a resident, but just observing the behavior is fascinating. To try to understand our own species is what we should be working on more. The scary thing is that it's being done without our "informed consent."

There really ARE people studying all of us. I am at once studying and being studied. And that's kind of uncomfortable. But I can't look away!



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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a reply to: suvorov

Yes, I am aware of the tension between Putin and Hillary being a major point here. I also have made threads about how Team Kremlin hired out a disinfo army - - and about how "fake news" has slammed like a wrecking ball through this fragile soap bubble of a unified globe.


Humans have a long, long way to go.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:12 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Trump could also be You, I guess that one never occured to you eh.

Trump is Trump, don't compare him to deceased Dictators, that's lame.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:17 PM
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originally posted by: JesusXst
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Trump could also be You, I guess that one never occured to you eh.

Trump is Trump, don't compare him to deceased Dictators, that's lame.


???

Have you ever heard of History?

King Charles, King George, and Queen Elizabeth are not, and never were "Dictators". They were figureheads --- they were Royals. They were Monarchs. Kings and Queens -- in title only ---- they had cushy lives and lots of respect and adoration/disdain from the COMMONERS (the merchants and the peasants......equivalent to today's franchisees, small business owners, craftsmen, tradesmen, and their employees)
but what those people thought didn't really matter.

It was the NOBLEMEN, the 1%, who decided how to share or not share with the people vs the monarch. TAXES. (The Boston Tea Party was about Taxes). The people who ran the country (the Parliament and Noble-men) did their jobs without the micro-management of the Monarch, whose job is to smile, wear glittery jewels, live in golden towers, and meet other world leaders.....but have no say-so whatsoever.
The Queen is still alive - and the Parliament (Tony Blair, David Cameron, Teresa May, Boris Johnson being the high-up bosses) are the ones that call the shots. The Queen does not decide to drop bombs on anyone. Her cabinet members do that, with or without her permission.



Okay - would you like me to post sources for you to back all of this up? Because it's painfully clear that you have no idea what I'm talking about, or who any of those people are, and how they have so much to do with the USA. Please - do some self-teaching. And then come back with a curious and open mind. Because unless you are 15 and still in high school, you are embarrassing yourself here....... And if that is the case, I'm happy to provide real data so you can get up to speed.


edit on 12/3/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: I really do want to help you learn.....

edit on 12/3/2016 by BuzzyWigs because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs
As someone living in a parliamentary monarchy and knowing something about the background, let me comment about the historical process involved.

The first point is that having a parliamentary monarchy involves reducing the power of the monarchy, not increasing it. That was the lesson of the Civil Wars.
Your Presidential system has been getting more monarchic, what with all the "First Lady", "First Daughter" business, but in order to become a parliamentary monarchy you need to turn your Presidency into something which is all ceremony and no power. You can allow him to have absolute power, on condition that he does absolutely nothing except "on the advice of his ministers". That's the way it's done.

How to get power away from him? The seventeenth century taught that financial control was the key; the king gets no money unless the legislature is willing to vote for it. OK, you've got that sorted.

Theorists came up with the idea of improving on this by keeping government ministers out of Parliament. We flirted with that concept, but went for a typical compromise.For a couple of centuries, any M.P. who got a post in the government had to resign his seat temporarily and fight a by-election, just to check that his constituents still wanted him.
What really killed off the idea was discovering that there was a better way of achieving the same result. If you not only allowed government ministers in Parliament but insisted on it, and if you insisted that no government could even take office without being able to win votes in Parliament, then Parliament was controlling the government instead of the king doing it. That's parliamentary monarchy.

You went the whole hog with "separation of powers" and even put it in writing, which means you are now stuck with it. Otherwise you could have quietly backed away from it, as we did.
And the result? You have one body controlling income and a completely different body controlling expenditure. In other words the "budget standoff" is deliberately written into the constitution.

To have a parliamentary monarchy rather than an absolute monarchy, this is what you would need to do;
Nobody can be in the Cabinet without also being a member of Congress.
The Majority leader in Congress to be head of the Cabinet and effective head of the government.
Any government which cannot muster enough votes to get a budget through Congress would have to resign, and be replaced by one which can.

Then the President can be allowed to get on with state openings of Congress, the launching of battleships, inviting foreign heads of state to their daughters' weddings, and addressing the nation with a televised Christmas message at 3.00 p.m. on Christmas Day.

That would be a parliamentary monarchy.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs




No. Trump is King Charles, who Congress rebelled against. Trump is also King George who went mad during the American Revolution - in charge of a war but out of his mind. So his handlers took over. Trump is Queen Elizabeth. He is a "monarch", a delusional ultra rich boss-man who is being humored, while Congress makes the real decisions.



Wait, are you saying Trump is a shape shifting reptilian from the 5th dimension?




posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Right? Yes! And that's what I see is going to happen. I said: WE ARE FLEDGINGS. Perhaps I should have said "Hatchlings."



Because Trump and his family are the equivalent of the "Royals". Glittery and impressive - but not able to run a country. As far as the "business" end of it, sure. But the HR thing is what they don't get. The HUMAN RESOURCES thing. You know - taking care of your people.

Whether or not he will in the future be treated like a "President" or a "Prime Minister" is where we are now.
He gets to be the one sitting in the fancy office. They bring him his brandy and cigars, his jesters and sycophants, while they run the country. I am predicting he will become a cloistered monarch - and rarely heeded as far as actions taken.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Obviously Parliamentary Monarchy does not mean what you think it means.
The correct label for what the USA is becoming and soon will be is Totalitarian State.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: thesaneone

good gawd

you can do better. But, if not so inclined, then please give it a rest. There is nothing "fictitious" about the OP, or ignorant about my opinion.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:39 PM
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You ability to see the reality as its been, but only now because its Trump getting in there is fabbergasting. Clinton was even more the DYNASTY emperor to be.

Dear United States of America: GET REAL (already)!



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:43 PM
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Trump saved us from present and future conflicts. He is addressing future china problem as if he is doing it by mistake. He also know that Russia is democratic country and once Putin is gone Russia will be a great partner, unlike china
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posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: KEACHI

I'm operating under the presumption that we have to go through that over the next 4 years, and where we will end up after that journey takes place.

I'm saying that in four years, this will be a different system. Yes, it could very well turn out as you say. I think, however, that there will be a HUGE backlash as this all begins to churn. We are in first gear now. We have a Totalitarian Populist who thinks he is God who has been carried in on the shoulders of the disgruntled. He is a wannabe dictator, but an "aristocrat" all the same.

The rabble think they want him to be their tour-guide out of what they perceive as the pathway to hell. They haven't thought it all the way through, though.

That's what I'm doing...thinking it through to its logical conclusion. Like playing chess. In the end, he will not prevail. The people of the USA will not suffer a true dictator. It just won't happen.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: suvorov

Are you located in the Continental United States of America?



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 12:45 PM
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The US has been a corporatist oligarchy for the last 30 or so years.







 
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