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Digital Evidence No Longer Valid For Court Of Law

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:37 AM
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Video, audio, photo can all be photoshopped. Search behavior in Internet Providers databases can be faked, manipulated, created, deleted and edited, by internal and external parties, ...its only one mouseclick away...

In Holland people are convicted pure on basis of search behavior and send to jail. One case I know was about probably IS terrorists or something that seemed to have googled about making bombs.

But all digital evidence should be forbidden to use in a court of law, because its highly questionable and unreliable. Moreover all court cases where people are convicted on basis of digital evidence should be reopened.

Oh these poor secret services like AIVD, NSA, CIA so these monitoring and surveillance industry have no right to live anymore and are obsolete now.

I came to this idea that it seems possible to photoshop realtime, so I thought one day they can do that also for security and surveillance camera's:

creativity-online.com...

Moreover one can also not be convicted of digital material (like terroristic material) on one's computer, because in Holland the secret service AIVD has total access over the Internet to your computer, tablet or mobile, has superuser rights on any home or company computer, can remove or place stuff on your computer, when your online, also monitors this what I typing right now , maybe not by humans, but certainly stores everything on their monitoring servers, to be analyzed and datamined by A ROBOT!!!

edit on 2016-12-2 by galien8 because: (no reason given)

edit on 2016-12-2 by galien8 because: extra info




posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: galien8

So right! I hadn't even considered this angle.

Some years back though, I did foresee the proper end of the "UFO" era, as there was a rage across the net some slick CGI video that was going around and it ended up being a slick viral marketing gimmick for their new (free to use) software platform. Pretty much the day that came out was the end, whereas it became 'all or nothing' with whatever 'evidence' came before it.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: galien8

As far as faking digital evidence, whole elections are decided that way, now. How 'forensic' and how believable is that, really?

I think forensically altered images can be dissected to show if they were modified. And if not, actual court cases shouldn't be decided on imagery alone. If they are, then that justice system is to blame for that, not the images.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: galien8

I've heard this as well. Its not surprising considering how easy it is to modify and manipulate anything digital. We can even get free apps to change our voices, show a different phone # or IP addresses etc etc.

It used to provide positive means for evidencial proofs....now its just the opposite.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

that was the isaac drone huh?
i remember all that. this board was high activity with that



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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originally posted by: galien8
Moreover one can also not be convicted of digital material on one's computer

This will give pedophiles with extensive digital collections of child pornography on their computers a free pass.




posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:11 AM
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This post is actually spot on,

Any form of digital data is open to manipulation, from you going onto a friends Facebook and making radical comments or doing other illegal activities without their knowledge to full blown high quality "faking" which is very possible with even a limited amount of knowledge due to the power of certain programs.

But there is a underlying issues also and that is one where the Criminal prosecution service look to get a conviction at all cost. I have known about people getting sentences with extremely poor evidence that would equate to basically one word against another..

I give evidence in court regularly and I still scratch my head as to how some Judges come to their conclusion?. I would liken it to tossing a coin, I have seen people banged to rights with strong evidence that get to walk free and I have seen people convicted to life altering sentences or fines when everything including common sense says otherwise.

Digital Data in court can and should be used but it should not be the only or overriding factor in a case unless it is a "caught red handed" situation such as a person speaking to a minor that then goes on to meet them fully knowing they are under age etc, if the Police run a sting then I see little reason why the data should not be used..


Absolute Mine field that is for sure


RA

S+F



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:17 AM
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a reply to: galien8

I am a part of the national forensics lab for one of the alphabet agencies--it's (relatively) easy to determine if something has been tampered with. Even if something is done in real time by use of a program, there will be digital fingerprints of such a thing.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:21 AM
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a reply to: galien8

is this an attack on the credibility of wikki-leaks ???



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: galien8

As far as faking digital evidence, whole elections are decided that way, now. How 'forensic' and how believable is that, really?

I think forensically altered images can be dissected to show if they were modified. And if not, actual court cases shouldn't be decided on imagery alone. If they are, then that justice system is to blame for that, not the images.


I think if photo or video editing is done "State-of-the-Art" even the experts can be in doubt, I recall a photo of Harvey Oswald with an rifle which no one was sure about whether it was fake or not, some said the shadow of the nose was not according to the rest of the lights, and that was in the sixties last century.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:39 AM
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originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: galien8

I've heard this as well. Its not surprising considering how easy it is to modify and manipulate anything digital. We can even get free apps to change our voices, show a different phone # or IP addresses etc etc.

It used to provide positive means for evidencial proofs....now its just the opposite.


I concur



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: BlueShaman

originally posted by: galien8
Moreover one can also not be convicted of digital material on one's computer

This will give pedophiles with extensive digital collections of child pornography on their computers a free pass.



Yes, to my regret, its not my fault, but it will lead to (more) anarchy in society



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:43 AM
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Pretty convenient for anyone that's important that may be under investigation for things such as child pornogrpahy right?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: slider1982
This post is actually spot on,

Any form of digital data is open to manipulation, from you going onto a friends Facebook and making radical comments or doing other illegal activities without their knowledge to full blown high quality "faking" which is very possible with even a limited amount of knowledge due to the power of certain programs.

But there is a underlying issues also and that is one where the Criminal prosecution service look to get a conviction at all cost. I have known about people getting sentences with extremely poor evidence that would equate to basically one word against another..

I give evidence in court regularly and I still scratch my head as to how some Judges come to their conclusion?. I would liken it to tossing a coin, I have seen people banged to rights with strong evidence that get to walk free and I have seen people convicted to life altering sentences or fines when everything including common sense says otherwise.

Digital Data in court can and should be used but it should not be the only or overriding factor in a case unless it is a "caught red handed" situation such as a person speaking to a minor that then goes on to meet them fully knowing they are under age etc, if the Police run a sting then I see little reason why the data should not be used..


Absolute Mine field that is for sure


RA

S+F


Yes, the only things left for the court of law are, witnesses and DNA tests, these cannot be so easy manipulated



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: galien8

I am a part of the national forensics lab for one of the alphabet agencies--it's (relatively) easy to determine if something has been tampered with. Even if something is done in real time by use of a program, there will be digital fingerprints of such a thing.



OK, I hope your right, can a forensic see if an Internet Provider database is tampered with?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:50 AM
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No only what the OP has said but I've always wondered about the following:

Malware is so rampant today and easy to create or customize that it's not hard for someone to " target " others and use the malware to infect someone's PC or phone and upload files to their drives. We're talking any files, bad images, gov secrets, whatever they wanted to plant.

You'd need some clever folks to even think about checking when those files were uploaded and to even check about malware. Then what about those really clever malware scripts that will delete all their tracks upon a reboot, some once uploaded and even after their task is carried out will cause an issue that will warrant a reboot.

That's just with having files on your system.

This doesn't even go into the realm of someone using your system while you're not aware to carry out attacks and get you blamed or at least targeted by others.

If someone wanted to troll you hard, digital harassment has come a long way and law enforcement isn't very equipped to handle it.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: galien8

is this an attack on the credibility of wikki-leaks ???


Oh No!?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: galien8

There is always a digital fingerprint for anything--at my job, they can tell how long I've been logged into a surver, when I logged in or out, how many times, what I did while on there, etc.

Yes, I would have to assume (although I have no direct knowledge of your particular question) that evidence if IP database-tampering would exist if it happened. The problem that you often encounter is whether or not the person doing the tampering is more technologically advanced than the people tasked in finding the evidence of tampering.

Plus, there are always ways of deleting traces of access if someone is good enough, but now we're getting into a realm that I have next to zero knowledge about.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 11:00 AM
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originally posted by: Tsubaki
Pretty convenient for anyone that's important that may be under investigation for things such as child pornogrpahy right?


No just fighting against big brother (the monitoring, manipulating, surveillance industry which will be obsolete when digital evidence is not allowed anymore)

I see big brother society as "the beast from the sea" from Revelations in the Bible, if big brother is completely installed in society (as they call it total awareness) than this is ARMAGEDDON
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 11:39 AM
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a reply to: galien8

corrupt psychopathic criminals in secret services like AIVD, NSA and CIA (moles) can place files or remove files unnoticed (or with new techniques not known to forensic experts) by this damn big brother technology, can put terroristic material to blame certain people so they get convicted and send to jail, or black mail people, all on illegal assignment, all for sex, money, drugs and rock-'n-roll



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