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Poll: Only One-Fourth Of Americans Actually Want Full Obamacare Repeal ... Yeah, right...

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:47 AM
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A poll reported on Huffington Post claims that "only" 26% of Americans want the ACA repealed, while another 17% want it scaled back and 49% want it fully implemented or expanded.

Now, in the interest of disclosure, I would be among those who would support a repeal but understand that you can't just blow the ship out of the water, rather you must build another ship that will work better and allow time for the passengers to transboard. But this post is not about what should be done with the ACA.

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I'm thinking about my immediate reaction to this headline and most any other news story that I see on-line, in the papers or on TV.

My immediate response on seeing this headline from a mainstream newsource was,
"Yeah, right. Sure..." But not because I disagree with the conclusion that is espouses.

I have no confidence in this "poll" whatsoever. The numbers mean nothing to me. As far as I am concerned, it could have been written on a manual typewriter by an army of marginally literate trolls living in caves beneath Cheyenne Mountain.

No, strike that. I'd trust marginally literate trolls more than mainstream media outlets.

This is the reaction that I have when I see anything on news websites or on the television, or any other "traditional" news sources. I am inclined to dismiss any- and everything, out of hand.

So I am wondering how many other's have this reaction to what they see and hear from the "news" now.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:51 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv
A poll reported on Huffington Post claims


Well now, we all know how accurate them thar polls have been, now don't we?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:53 AM
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originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: incoserv
A poll reported on Huffington Post claims


Well now, we all know how accurate them thar polls have been, now don't we?


Precisely. I feel like I'll never ever ever take any of it seriously again. Not just that I doubt it or question it. I've always thought that a healthy dose of scepticism is a good thing. But now,it's like reading one of those Bazooka Joe comics from a piece of bubble gum back when i was a kid.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: incoserv

“Believe none of what you hear, and only half of what you see.” ― Benjamin Franklin

Wise words to live by, especially since MSM went full retard years ago, and started being listed as "entertainment".

Then there was the whole "government allowed to spew propaganda" law.

On the topic of the ACA, it has done more harm, then good.

Prices of everything went through the roof, as all the medical providers, be it bandaids or rare drugs KNEW they would get loads more money jacked their prices up exponentially.

Take away the guaranteed pay, and bring the cost of supplies down so the average person can afford their care.

Supply and demand, people don't pay for what they don't need unless they are forced to.

I need medical coverage for a life-long medical problem, and the cost used to be cheap. The ACA made it almost impossible to afford my medications and supplies.

Repeal it all, bring the costs of things down, as even insurance makes it prohibitively expensive. Meds cost more in this country then anywhere else in the world.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:08 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: incoserv
A poll reported on Huffington Post claims


Well now, we all know how accurate them thar polls have been, now don't we?


Precisely. I feel like I'll never ever ever take any of it seriously again. Not just that I doubt it or question it. I've always thought that a healthy dose of scepticism is a good thing. But now,it's like reading one of those Bazooka Joe comics from a piece of bubble gum back when i was a kid.


It's almost as though, to get people to completely lose faith in journalism was engineered isn't it? (Not that polls were ever really representative of the public in general)

I always felt as though polls did precisely the reverse of what they were intended to do. It used to be my understanding that polls were designed to take the pulse of the nation, but somewhere along the line I'm pretty sure that the nation based its pulse upon what the polls data ended up being.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: incoserv


This is the reaction that I have when I see anything on news websites or on the television, or any other "traditional" news sources. I am inclined to dismiss any- and everything, out of hand.

So I am wondering how many other's have this reaction to what they see and hear from the "news" now.

I don't have the reaction that you describe. I take at face value that a plane full of soccer players crashed in Columbia; that wildfires are burning in Tennessee; that tornadoes ripped through Alabama and Tennessee; that Water Protectors are protesting a DAPL in North Dakota; that Donald Trump did a rally in Ohio today. I saw these things on main stream media.


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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:14 AM
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In my experience about 3/4 of people hate obamacare. The other quarter are hard core socialists that think its racist to disagree with them.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:16 AM
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a reply to: pthena

While there is a difference between reporting actual, ongoing, physically confirmable real-world events and things like polls, It seems to me that sometimes even the reports of those events are manipulated to confirm a previously defined narrative.

Just look at the reporting on the election results on the night of the presidential election. Did you unquestioningly believe everything that the big networks said right up to the last minute?

Or in the months leading up to the election when so may kept telling us that there was no way that Donald Trump was going to win. (I'm not trying to use this thread as a soapbox to extol Trump's victory, but only because it is so recent and obvious an example.)



They were claiming to be reporting actual ongoing news, but they were clearly generating false news in support of a predetermined narrative. Did you believe that without question?

I agree with what alphabetaone said.

a reply to: alphabetaone

I think this kind of "news" is designed to actually maniuplate rather than inform, but it's too transparent now. At least, for some of us.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:24 AM
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a reply to: incoserv

Everyone Knows the Huffington Post is a FAKE NEWS Site . Readers Beware .



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:44 AM
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a reply to: incoserv

Well, I think we all know the accuracy of the liberal polling 'experts' now. Polls shouldn't dictate policy regardless.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: incoserv

Everyone Knows the Huffington Post is a FAKE NEWS Site . Readers Beware .


Exactly my point. Huffington POst is a fake news site.

And so is CNN.

And MSNBC.

And Fox.

And Washington Post.

Any New York Times.

And ...



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:53 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: incoserv

Well, I think we all know the accuracy of the liberal polling 'experts' now. Polls shouldn't dictate policy regardless.


They shouldn't. But that's not the problem. The problem is that they drive public perception and opinions, then those dictate - or at least enable - policy.

So ultimately, if that cycle continues, they will dictate policy, even if indirectly.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:08 AM
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a reply to: incoserv


It seems to me that sometimes even the reports of those events are manipulated to confirm a previously defined narrative.

Spin. Yes, that happens. Such as Trump's mention of the vehicular and knife attack by a grown up child immigrant from Somalia in the context of keeping radical Islamic terrorists out of the country. If the child had been interrogated ever so thoroughly before admittance, no reason would have been found to keep him out IMHO.



Just look at the reporting on the election results on the night of the presidential election. Did you unquestioningly believe everything that the big networks said right up to the last minute?

I had heard by a couple of people on the media, that a Trump victory was possible, the interviewers didn't take it seriously. I didn't think it was likely. At some point, (11:00 EST?) it seemed to be a distinct possibility. About an hour later, a probability.



Or in the months leading up to the election

It always seemed close, 12% - 2% . Ended up 2% HRC, just like the popular vote count. My personal thought was that if the 2004 or 2008 incarnation of Ron Paul had been on the ballot, he could have beat them both.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:11 AM
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originally posted by: pthena
It always seemed close, 12% - 2% . Ended up 2% HRC, just like the popular vote count. My personal thought was that if the 2004 or 2008 incarnation of Ron Paul had been on the ballot, he could have beat them both.


Amen to that!



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:13 AM
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originally posted by: incoserv

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: incoserv

Everyone Knows the Huffington Post is a FAKE NEWS Site . Readers Beware .


Exactly my point. Huffington POst is a fake news site.

And so is CNN.

And MSNBC.

And Fox.

And Washington Post.

Any New York Times.

And ...






They All Are . Gotta try and Separate the Wheat from the Chaff when Reading Any News Sites . A Grain of Truth Amidst a Sea of Lies .



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:34 AM
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I don't think it's 1 in 4 ... but it probably isn't nearly as unanimous as people think. (that everyone hates the ACA).

There are ton of people on government services that vote Republican. It's weird.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:02 AM
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I don't know one person who likes Obamacare. That poll is garbage.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:22 AM
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I didn't take this pole. Why does the media push these polls as something that is fact when no one really takes them?

They choose a demographic that caters to their point of view , then asks a handful of those. Then they expect everyone else to accept it as fact. Absolute b.s



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:24 AM
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I will never understand why the American "left" supports such blatant corporate welfare.

I think America should have a universal healthcare system being the crazed socialist that I am. That's what Obamacare should've been, not a mandate to force people to buy insurance from giant corporations.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:30 AM
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a reply to: incoserv

The Huffington post didn't learn a damn thing this past election cycle did it? When they report skewered polls designed to make some aspect of Trump's plans look bad..the people demand that Donald enacts said plans even faster, and bigger.

Expect to see ObamaCare converted into TrumpCare faster than ever now!




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