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The Dissonance of Anger

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:36 PM
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Since ancient times Humans believed that some emotions are good, and other emotions are bad.

Natural Selection shaped our being just as it shaped the emergence of the first life-form. What we call "wisdom traditions" is natural selection in action - from the East, with confucianism, to the middle east, with Judaism, to the far west, in North America, a common communitarian logic emerged with a sort of finalistic-logic: we are one, and so we must organize our social relations in just those ways.

Despite this, the "chaos" traditions of Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece and Iran, favored a philosophy based on imperial expansion. As primitive Humans living at a primitive epistemological time period (no fMRI's, computers, or electron micropscopes) they naively believed that anger was a strength - that hatred had power - in their naive, or rather, self-serving sensibility, they became quite convinced that they were the "elite" of mankind.

Evidently, the aristocratic basis of ancient pagan culture is hard to ignore. From Sumer to Egypt to Iran and throughout, we have always been living under the thumb of self-serving aristocrats.

Modern myth - and its sad that it deserves the quality of being mythological (i.e. a story we tell ourselves) - tells us that humankind was "emancipated" with the ideals of the French and American evolution, yet clearly - as Marx saw - capitalism essentially constituted a way-to-enslave without letting the masses recognize how it is you're doing it.

The nastiest word in the American dictionary is probably "socialism". Yet ask a Canadian, and they'll think you're insane for not realize what socialism means, or how you as an individual are protected by the support it can offer you in your living. Just as Christianity was the mechanism of the European elect in controlling the masses - and a similar situation obtaining for the effendi of the Muslim world, today's world has its "myths" that structure how human beings experience and relate to their world.

The Brain is Dissonant When Angry



In a beautiful example of brain-mind correspondence, neuroscientists studying the dynamics of anger demonstrate how the "cortical midline network" overwhelms and deactivates the "cortical lateral network". When you conceptualize the brain, it is actually quite apposite to the ways we naturally think: in metaphor. For instance, thinking is like "holding", where the external part is the act of thought, whereas the internal part is the flow of feeling and meaning that we seek to represent to ourselves. Feeling is the cortical midline network that compels a particular feeling-relation to the world; conversely, consciousness thought and reflection is largely mediated by the lateral cortices - as if they were "hands" that "hold" the activity that rushes within the brains inner core. Cortex means "bark" in Latin, and refers to six layers of neurons that lie atop the entire brain. The dorsolateral cortex contains very large neurons - some of the largest in the brain - and its functionality appears to be the regulation of activity in lower areas of the brain, as if "shaping" the flow of the bodies phenomenology - what we experience as our subjective Self - towards states of greater and greater coherency.



Anger is borne from a much more ancient area of the brain than the frontodorsal areas that allow consciousness to manually de-focus from an internal percept, and guide itself elsewhere. Importantly, anger causes dissonant activity in the orbito-frontal cortex - the part of our brain that we experience as the manual inhibition of negative affectivity - in other words, the conscious experience of knowing what you feel and subtly guiding the feelings within you is mediated by the power of the orbitofrontal cortex - a uniquely human functionality.

Anger, of course, is chaos: and chaotic states simply break down: they do not teach, unless in terms of learning how not to be so angry. Importantly, many diseases of old age are probably related to anger issues in living. There is good reason to believe that vascular dementia is directly related to poor affect regulation i.e. temperamental habit of getting angry, because after years of over-active affect activation, the blood vessels that mediate experiences of anger (endothelial cells) tear, and in tearing, release blood into the brain, leading to the death of neurons and glia cells by the free-radicals released in the blood.

Yet the illusion persists - that anger can be healthy or useful, as opposed to a vulnerability Humans have - and something which has large scale effects, from how the system of the brain and the body functions, to how the mind interprets information, and to how coherently and consonantly human beings interpret information.

Chaos and Order: which do you prefer? Life lives "at the edge of chaos" - but importantly, it inclines towards order. Just as our our sits closer to our left - the part of the body controlled by the right brain - so too does order, coherency and consistency stand as the general inclination of our biodynamical structuring.

Our emotions are different manifestations of these concepts - order, love, compassion, wellbeing, laughter, peace, joyfulness - or chaos, shame, anger, depression, anxiety, despair, jealousy.

Some people think there's room for hatred - yet they live in the confusions produced by their egotism: there is just dynamics, movements - you are this, and whatever "fabulousness" and "spectacle" you seek is all done in vain - all for nothingness, because what is not sustainable eventually falls apart - from a human being abusing his body and his relationships with others, to a society abusing the needs of the disadvantaged, to a country not recognizing how much good it has, and electing a person so full of negative emotions: CHAOS - who can very well throw the world into complete disarray, doing nothing but creating chaos, and at most, providing a teachable moment for those who survive the chaos. And what is that lesson - that lesson that so many learn without gore and chaos? You are not sufficient on your own. We most unhappy when we think and obsess - when we are caught up in our own reflections on our own feelings, than when were focused on the world, on reality, on being and living and building greater and greater meaning.

If this post can offer one lesson: do not let yourself succumb to anger, because it most-often deludes. The reality is, everyone is situated, hence the logic of this nifty figure



Which occurs as a function of this figure



People are physically situated, physically embodied, each a perspective upon the world at a different set of conditions, contingencies, and time-living. Each is a different "ecology" of relations - meanings - which have some value if we only get over ourselves and see how true it is: we are each structured by the flow of reality from the moment we were conceived to this present moment.

I like to conceive of the Human in terms of this figure



We each live as a identities - selves with perspectives, tastes, desires, and ways of self-identifying. This is the cognitive dimension of who we are - mediated by words, concepts and ideas.

But underneath us is the REAL. To borrow Lacanian language, but divorce it from the drivel of Lacan, the dynamics we experience as care, joy, laughter




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:38 PM
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and awe, are emergent properties - energies of a profoundly spiritual nature - which structure the coherency of our bodies dynamical self-organization. Our minds "emerge" as full blown persons, but the person that we are is fundamentally social and spiritual - connected by hidden threads of common need - a symmetry in existential experience - which always serves as the ground and core of what it means to be a fulfilled Human being.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:42 PM
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a reply to: Astrocyte

Well, there are only two emotions.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:45 PM
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Hey Astrocyte: Well written, for sure, and lots to ponder. On the surface, though, I absolutely love joy, laughter, etc.
But in the real world we truly experience, I think anger has its place, sometimes.....and maybe even hate.

Let's take for an example, someone who is all forgiving and keeps being subjectified by others around them, because of their forgiving nature. Surely you've known someone like that. Love dominates their perspective, and forgiveness, as well. If you've no righteous indignation at how you're treated, you're nothing more than a welcome mat, these days, respectfully. In that regard, anger, and even hatred directed at how you're treated, along those lines, would be quite useful, to stop you're being used as the welcome mat, the slave, the excuse, whatever anyone around you that you continually and conspicuously forgive, continues to do to you.....

Just saying.
tetra50



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:55 PM
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A very good biological explanation, and philosophical view, of why Love is better than Hate.

But we do get angry. There is a reason for it's existence. Anger can breed courage in some cases. Anger is also helpful to the General who commands the soldiers of war. Perspective has many eyes. You have beautiful eyes.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: Astrocyte

Well, there are only two emotions.


And what two might that be?



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone
A very good biological explanation, and philosophical view, of why Love is better than Hate.

But we do get angry. There is a reason for it's existence. Anger can breed courage in some cases. Anger is also helpful to the General who commands the soldiers of war. Perspective has many eyes. You have beautiful eyes.

Exactly my point.
There are functional and useful reasons to be angry, even as a mode, and especially, of self protection.
It's like fight or flight system. All love and joy is great, but it doesn't save us in times of attack and/or strife, frankly.
tetra



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:57 PM
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originally posted by: Astrocyte
they naively believed that anger was a strength - that hatred had power

It seems to me that all warrior traditions are very quick to teach the neophyte that their emotions and feelings will slow them down.
Emotions and feelings are 'thoughts'.
To stop to think will get you killed.
All martial arts teach that.
Ok, perhaps it is an ingredient in the phenomenon of the Berserker, perhaps.
Hatred and anger might have 'power' in some magical traditions...

But the reality is that we are all humans, and one 'feeling' (thought/ego) that humans experience is 'anger'.
It is not inherently 'good' or 'bad', it is just a passing thought.
We don't manufacture it, we perceive it as it goes by.
If we Know better, we do not act on it and merely experience it as it passes.
If we don't, there is often Hell to pay!


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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

Love and Fear, the rest are in between



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:04 PM
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originally posted by: tetra50
Hey Astrocyte: Well written, for sure, and lots to ponder. On the surface, though, I absolutely love joy, laughter, etc.
But in the real world we truly experience, I think anger has its place, sometimes.....and maybe even hate.

Let's take for an example, someone who is all forgiving and keeps being subjectified by others around them, because of their forgiving nature. Surely you've known someone like that. Love dominates their perspective, and forgiveness, as well. If you've no righteous indignation at how you're treated, you're nothing more than a welcome mat, these days, respectfully. In that regard, anger, and even hatred directed at how you're treated, along those lines, would be quite useful, to stop you're being used as the welcome mat, the slave, the excuse, whatever anyone around you that you continually and conspicuously forgive, continues to do to you.....

Just saying.
tetra50


I see what you are saying.

Let us look at it from the perspective of the all forgiving one. If love dominates their lives and they are being taken advantage of, why must it be him/her that changes?
I would argue that morally, if you believe in it, the one's that take advantage of the all forgiving one would be should be more apt to change from being showed love than anger. Maybe not immediately, but in the longer term. Like a child in school being taught a very important lesson. The one who is all forgiving knows that Patience is the key to virtue.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:05 PM
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I was just discussing this not 30 minutes ago with a friend. Good post, I'd love to stay in "we" mind but humanity ticks me off.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:06 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: 3daysgone

Love and Fear, the rest are in between


I understand now.

What about this perspective. The numbers 1 through 100. Are the numbers in between them any less a number?



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:09 PM
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Hogwash and opinionated. You think you see all angles and so much don't. You are presenting an opinionated approach about sides. You think the world is full of people like you, either that or you are trying to provoke a response by saying classes of people don't think. Why try to provoke responses?? It's so lame and irresponsible. I don't care how wordy one is about essentially the insinuation that one is a feeling based person because apparently you think this will provoke an ego based response. You git. How bout ya entertain your own folks without being classless. You've already pegged people who would respond to this as somehow being driven to offense at the suggestion they have feelings which is an odd preoccupation.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:15 PM
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a reply to: 3daysgone

I think its subjective you only feel two feelings, how you then name then so others can relate is subjective..



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: namelesss





Emotions and feelings are 'thoughts'.


I am not so sure about that. It could be that emotions and feelings just bring about thoughts, which would mean that they are not the thoughts themselves. Or it could be that feelings are like the reflexes of the thought.




But the reality is that we are all humans, and one 'feeling' (thought/ego) that humans experience is 'anger'. It is not inherently 'good' or 'bad', it is just a passing thought. We don't manufacture it, we perceive it as it goes by. If we Know better, we do not act on it and merely experience it as it passes. If we don't, there is often Hell to pay!


That is is not just eloquent, but as grand of an analogy that I have heard.




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: tetra50
Hey Astrocyte: Well written, for sure, and lots to ponder. On the surface, though, I absolutely love joy, laughter, etc.
But in the real world we truly experience, I think anger has its place, sometimes.....and maybe even hate.

Let's take for an example, someone who is all forgiving and keeps being subjectified by others around them, because of their forgiving nature. Surely you've known someone like that. Love dominates their perspective, and forgiveness, as well. If you've no righteous indignation at how you're treated, you're nothing more than a welcome mat, these days, respectfully. In that regard, anger, and even hatred directed at how you're treated, along those lines, would be quite useful, to stop you're being used as the welcome mat, the slave, the excuse, whatever anyone around you that you continually and conspicuously forgive, continues to do to you.....

Just saying.
tetra50


I see what you are saying.

Let us look at it from the perspective of the all forgiving one. If love dominates their lives and they are being taken advantage of, why must it be him/her that changes?
I would argue that morally, if you believe in it, the one's that take advantage of the all forgiving one would be should be more apt to change from being showed love than anger. Maybe not immediately, but in the longer term. Like a child in school being taught a very important lesson. The one who is all forgiving knows that Patience is the key to virtue.

I agree.
However, there is reality and the attendant suffering, and trying to survive it.
Having said that....what that means from what you've typed is , those that "should" change.
But frequently they don't, so if you continue to forgive their behavior and tolerate it, nothing can come of it but destruction for the one forgiving and tolerating, respectively.

That doesn't serve anyone very well, respectfully.
tetra



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:21 PM
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originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: 3daysgone

I think its subjective you only feel two feelings, how you then name then so others can relate is subjective..


So you are not saying they are in between. Rather all other feelings stem from love or fear.

That could very well be true.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: 3daysgone

originally posted by: tikbalang
a reply to: 3daysgone

Love and Fear, the rest are in between


I understand now.

What about this perspective. The numbers 1 through 100. Are the numbers in between them any less a number?

No they aren't. And therein, lies the answer.
second
tetra



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:31 PM
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But frequently they don't, so if you continue to forgive their behavior and tolerate it, nothing can come of it but destruction for the one forgiving and tolerating, respectively.


This is very true. A person who is all forgiving could very well meet his doom.





That doesn't serve anyone very well, respectfully.


It would seem that way. With that said. There are those that believe and know of another way. They believe that by being taken advantage of and still forgiving the one's doing it, will serve them well when the time comes. In this world suffering is most assuredly. The only release is to forgive. But it is all about one's belief I suppose.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:38 PM
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Exactly my point. There are functional and useful reasons to be angry, even as a mode, and especially, of self protection. It's like fight or flight system. All love and joy is great, but it doesn't save us in times of attack and/or strife, frankly.


It does not save this body, but some people believe it will save the most important thing about you, who you are.




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