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I read at least 10 times daily in here that Jesus died for the remission of sins. And when one feels s/he has sinned all they need do is ask forgiveness of Jesus.
Originally posted by shmick25
Is it necessary for these criminals to get this information off their chest to someone? Does it make them feel better? Why do they go through a priest and not directly to God? If they tell someone, surely it is ther hearers duty to act on this information!!
So, what are your thoughts on this?
Edit typos and bad english
[edit on 26-1-2005 by shmick25]
Originally posted by Seapeople
defend that.
Originally posted by Seapeople
You sound like a news anchor.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Jungle Jake, tell me please, where in the bible does it tell you to confess to a priest? When did confessions come about and why? Who benefitted from them?
...tell preists that they are not permitted to tell?
huh?
You see, it is not religion, it is stupidity.
...This is why christianity makes me turn in my stomach. Stupidity just like this...
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2 ... b : a principle or position or the body of principles in a branch of knowledge or system of belief : DOGMA c : a principle of law established through past decisions
Now, do you think for one second that this man had no intention of doing it again?
STOP USING JESUS CHRIST FOR AN EXCUSE TO BE A NARROW MINDED #^%$&%$*&
Originally posted by shmick25
Cant find the article now as it was a while ago.
So the question is this.
If I tell a priest that I am about to do a serious crime, he has no oblication to help to stop this happen.
Originally posted by Seapeople
Jungle Jake, tell me please, where in the bible does it tell you to confess to a priest? When did confessions come about and why? Who benefitted from them?
but for a preist to stand by and allow someone to get raped or molested is criminal. They are supposed to be servants of Jesus Christ. They are supposed to be believers in the Bible.
Where does the bible say that preists that they are not permitted to tell?
Hebrews 10:26-31
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” (Deut. 32:35) and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”(Deut. 32:36; Psalm 135:14) It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Originally posted by shmick25
There has been a case recently in Australia where a paedophile confessed his sins to a priest. After the paedophile repeatedly offended again, it was made known that the priest knew about his problem and the situation could have been prevented.
Originally posted by riley
The priest who heared the confession should be charges with aiding and abetting. I'm sure there are rules that priests have to follow.. like chastity etc so I'm sure he would have been obliged to report it to his superiors anyway.
I'm also wondering if this was indeed a formal confession or if it was just someone talking with a collegue.
Originally posted by junglejake
Originally posted by riley
The priest who heared the confession should be charges with aiding and abetting. I'm sure there are rules that priests have to follow.. like chastity etc so I'm sure he would have been obliged to report it to his superiors anyway.
So far, many non-Catholics have said this. I'm not Catholic, I don't know the doctrine very well. However, you guys are applying your personal values on a religion that has existed for over 2000 years. It's developed its own rules as a result of time, and has reasons for them.
I would like to see a Catholic familiar with Catholic doctrine address this, though. Are the priests ever to repeat a confession?
Originally posted by junglejake
However, you guys are applying your personal values on a religion that has existed for over 2000 years.
Oh, come on. Let's not turn this into a priest molestation conversation.
If it was another priest that had done it, I am 101% positive Shmik would have mentioned that in the original post.
The percentage of priests who have been nailed for pedophelia is the same percentage of the general population.
The church handled that whole thing in a poor manner as far as public relations and trust are concerned, but they are still within the Status Quo, unfortinatelly.
To possibly turn this around in your head,
EDIT: Not saying you're a hypocrite, just saying don't go down that path in your next reply Hope this showed up before you responded.