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What We are REALLY Up Against...

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

Um, Trump attacked the Bush family in the gop debates. Not just Jeb but Georgie, too. He mentioned that 9/11 happened on his watch. If you think there's an establishment republican in this country that would be said that in the debate then your thinking is Cray cray z.




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 04:25 PM
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a reply to: kurthall

SoCal and Cali is killing itself. It doesn't need to worry about the Predicential election to do that.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: VinylTyrant
a reply to: RomeByFire

Um, Trump attacked the Bush family in the gop debates. Not just Jeb but Georgie, too. He mentioned that 9/11 happened on his watch. If you think there's an establishment republican in this country that would be said that in the debate then your thinking is Cray cray z.


My thinking is quite fine - people claim the "election(s) are rigged," and I've been one of those people for awhile. As far as I'm concerned Donald is just paying lip service and telling people what they want to hear.

You go ahead and let me know when Donald gets on board and starts going off privatized banking cartels/fractional reserve banking, legislation such as NDAA, Patriot Act, ALEC, TPP - you let me know Donald goes after those responsible for 9/11, or # even Clinton considering he ran on it as opposed to his "take it easy on her," Operation Paperclip/Mongoose/Northwoods, or anything like that.

I'm not buying the BS of him being an "outsider." I have many reasons and quotes (from Trump himself) that have led me to believe this.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

Points taken but let's wait at least a few months in office to get a better feel of where this will go. I think he will end up being one of the best presidents for the American people in four years.ii hope we can both Be honest about the outcome at that time.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian
OMG what the fk have I done to you!?!?! Why do you continue to attack me!?!?!?!?!?

I do agree with what was posted. He wrote out a very well written OP. He is calling out both the left and the right. Will you please grow up and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:35 PM
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Well Meta...I totally agree. You got it right and unfortunately most on each sides are clueless. They bought the kool-aid decades ago. Without questioning, most seized on the moment to make their anger known and picked one of the two ill-defined groups to vent hostile frustrations. Little did they know the right vs left and liberal vs conservative was/is a scam utilized by the ruling class to divide the nation. "IF" they were smart and/or street wise and educated enough to recognize the scam, they would know they got suckered into the scam and by doing so they transferred the power of the masses to their nemesis. Now, as a result, a small minority "owns" their soul.

A good example is the attack on organized labor in the eighties. Little did they know that the elites were well into a push to globalize that was envisioned around the century. Much of the American work-load found slave wages in Mexico and the Orient in the late sixties and early seventies. Motorola, Brigs and Stanton, Vendo, GE, and Du Pont are just a few of a long list of companies who joined the massive exodus to foreign lands. Again, little did the public know that this was a well planned agenda penned in the early past century. Once the scheme was obvious, the elite excused their behavior by blaming the average working man for all their ills. Many hard working men who were veterans from WW-II were accused of being liberal and socialists in nature for supporting organized labor leaders. However, many were more conservative than most and felt they were victimized by a radical element of opportunists within Wall Street.

And despite those who argue otherwise, they were correct. America has a real tendency of fascism. Although most felt the need to find and expose commies, the real threat of fascists used the GOP to further their goals. This is well known by the academics who noted the origins of fascist intent from the early thirties. It was during that time when Wall Street's American Liberty League approached Gen. Smedley Butler with their plan of a coup against FDR. They, according to Butler, liked the brand of fascism of Mussolini in Italy. They were caught in their "failed" attempt only to rebuild their efforts to present day conditions. Regardless of denials by pro-neocons, all dots connect from 1933 to today.

However, such intentions was shared by both political parties. People are waking up to the facts and the "faithful" of each party are no longer faithful. Although that may seem worthy, remember neither party is ready to denounce their fascist dreams. Both the GOP's establishment and Hitlery found the hate from their electorate. So much so that a man of Trump's caliper could slime past his enemies to the White House. Both parties had nothing to show for their past positions in high office and the American people are beyond angry. While all the "talking heads" on cable split hairs, don't be fooled. The ruling elites could care less concerning the public or the nation as well. Globalism and the path to globalism has created a bad taste in people's mouths. Brexit was the shot in the air and now America's participation in the NAFTA and T.T.P. agreements are under the microscope by people who question the benefits, or lack of, in these trade agreements. I suppose that is a "beginning" but much needs to be done to dismantle this fascist police state we now live with.

Unfortunately, it's hard to find excitement at this point for although such facts are signs of encouragement, too many people run the streets still under the influence of past brainwashing tactics. It may take years to bring us back on track. Trump has many of us praying he won't succumb to the globalists and the damage they create to the nation, but he was the only one to stand aside the criminal enterprise both parties built over the past half century. As a gun owner, I'm pleased Hitlery been shown the door. The problem is both parties rely of the funding of Wall Street fascists. Until their campaign donations are outlawed, we will be enslaved by the globalist that are everything but American.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

It is unfortunate that there are still tons of people that are unaware of these facts. There are even several people that regularly frequent ATS that STILL buy into the partisan nonsense.

This is NOT right vs left, or dem vs rep, it is US vs THEM. PERIOD.

It is driving me nuts hearing the people repeating mainstream media talking points. Some people just immediately adopt whatever they say and run with it, like it is doctrine from God.

STOP IT!



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:00 PM
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Voting for trump and then claiming that your anti big government is funny as hell, cant wait for all those new securrity laws he will impose on the little guy.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: dukeofjive696969

This is about putting Americans first. Trump might be good, but if you read my OP it was about me telling a friend who loves Trump about what is really going on in America. I think you missed the point.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus



They hate the idea of American exceptionalism


So do I. That is a propaganda term used heavily since Reagan's presidency in order to instill the idea that America is better than other nations and people.

It directly contradicts a true libertarian ideology because it places an air of superiority of certain individuals over others.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:48 PM
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a reply to: introvert

We are better than other nations. We should strive to be better than other nations. Who wants to be equal? Who wants to be second? Losers...and the weak...and the lazy.

Problem with the last administration is that they decided to not include white people. Black professor complains about cops. Lets have a beer. Convict shot by someone who was attacked. He looks like my son. Islamic radicals kill. Do not talk bad about them. BLM riots. Let their voice be heard. Convict attacks cops. Hands up Don't shoot.

The progressive actions did not work. Then when those racist policies did not work what do they do? Pull the race card. Say it did not work because the white population revolted. It was not the white population. It was those from all backgrounds who were sick of it. No jobs. Stagnant wages. More taxes. More regulations. Attacks on Religion. Calling our country trash.

The minute you are of the mind set that you can settle you will never achieve what you could have and that applies to ALL people of any color, sex, religion or ideology.

I have said all along it was supposed to be Jebbie in the WH. Clinton would lose a tough race and keep bringing in the cash and forcing policy behind the scenes. Trump back-doored them all...
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs



We are better than other nations. We should strive to be better than other nations. Who wants to be equal? Who wants to be second? Losers...and the weak...and the lazy.


Have you ever read the Declaration of Independence? Here's a small part of it:


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —


All men are created equal. That's important.

Also:


That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form


American excpetionalism gives way to such destructive ends and contradicts the idea of all men being created equal.



Problem with the last administration is that they decided to not include white people.


Not going to fall for your race-baiting.



The minute you are of the mind set that you can settle you will never achieve what you could have and that applies to ALL people of any color, sex, religion or ideology.


Settle for what? Equal rights over arrogant superiority?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:01 PM
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American exceptionalism ... after WW2 America could have taken over more than half the world and given the rest to Russia but it didn't... Instead, plans like the Marshal plan rebuilt Japan helped rebuild much of Europe with loans. The world was basically tired and run out of everything but destruction... If Japan and Germany had won the war where would the globe/countries be today ? America does have exceptionalism for many would have taken advantage of the world setting after the war and no telling what the world population would have ended up with.

America has been the innovator, the manufacturing, and the home of supposedly human rights and freedom since WW2 (not all propaganda IMO)..Unfortunately it all started to unravel around the Vietnam war if not before as far as I can see.

As far as a globalist agenda and agenda 21/30 from what I read of their goals, (no matter how wrapped into some nice sounding meme) the goals are for a few un-elected individuals to tell everyone else what is good for them ... Kinda like Brussels and the E.U. only on a much larger scale.

S&F Op well written



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Yes. All US citizens are created equal but why should we NOT be exceptional?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:08 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

You make an excellent point. But how do we, the people, all but disenfranchised in our own political system actually make a difference? As has been pointed out many times, we don't stand a chance in combat against TPTB. We have virtually no chance of getting enough government positions currently held by the enemies of freedom replaced with people who cherish it. All the observation and understanding we are capable of amounts to nothing if we cannot effect change.

So that is my question. How do we act on the observations and secure our freedom today and for our children?

My first step in that is for our generation to grab hold of our darling snowflakes and spank some sense in to them... Apart from that, how do we make it happen?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:10 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: introvert

Yes. All US citizens are created equal but why should we NOT be exceptional?


Read it again. All men are created equal. Not all US citizens.

I think you're completely missing the point of this exercise.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: introvert

what about women....j/k...I understand your point. Mine is...why try to be equal when you can push your limits and then help the world?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Yes, I believe you do hate the idea of an exceptional America and you are part of the problem not the solution.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: introvert

what about women....j/k...I understand your point. Mine is...why try to be equal when you can push your limits and then help the world?


You can do that without having a mindset that you are better than everyone else.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: introvert

Yes, I believe you do hate the idea of an exceptional America and you are part of the problem not the solution.


Yes. It is a propaganda term used to indoctrinate people in to believing that America is somehow more virtuous and righteous than other people and nations.

That arrogance is what has led us in to wars, in which we think we have to interject due to our superiority.

Thinking we are better or superior to others is not a solution to any problem. It creates them.



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