Meeting with Trump emboldens anti-vaccine activists

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

There's no mercury in vaccines.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: MysticPearl
Can I get a source please, I would like to look over this info, I haven't heard of it.

Where do you think she got it from? Natural News of course, the site full of pseudo-science with articles written by charlatans that are only seen are real facts by those who have not studied medical sciences at a high level.

Here is the link: www.naturalnews.com...

originally posted by: MysticPearl
Naive is naive. What can I say.

You don't understand how the industry works.

And you do? You believe the lies Natural News post and yet you don't believe in the science behind preventing disease?

Please, answer this (seeing as you are not 'naive' apparently): do you visit the emergency department in hospitals if you or your loved ones had an accident?

Because you shouldn't: the same science based medicine used for preventive health care (vaccines included) is the same science based medicine used in the emergency departments in hospitals (where they pump you full of all kinds of drugs straight into your veins). If you do use the ER then you should stop as it would make you look highly hypocritical.

You should also stop taking over the counter painkillers etc etc as they are all produced with the same science based medicine used to produce vaccines.

a reply to: MysticPearl

Starting to tune out when someone says "big pharma".

The majority of your alternative medicines still come from big pharma, everyone is in it for the money, to think otherwise is naive.

a reply to: Chadwickus

and don't forget what a multi-billion dollar industry the "alternative medicine" industry is

a reply to: whismermill

Indeed:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Annee
The long, sordid antivaccine history of Donald Trump

Note added 9/17/2015: I knew it. The vaccine issue came up during the second debate and Donald Trump repeated basically the same nonsensical antivaccine tropes that he’s been repeating for at least eight years.It rather puts the lie to his claim that he listens to experts and changes his opinion based on what they tell him. Hilariously, Mike Adams is painting it as an attempt by CNN to “destroy” Donald Trump using the vaccine issue. Depressingly, Ben Carson, while defending vaccines, fell into the “too many, too soon,” trope, something a pediatric neurosurgeon should know better than to say. Truly, the antivaccine stupid in the heart of the Republican Party is still there.n scienceblogs.com...

I'm willing to give Trump a chance, but one thing that really concerns me is that he seems to believe a lot of really stupid stuff. I wouldn't be surprised to see him here on ATS talking about the Mandela Effect.

a reply to: Chadwickus

It's always going to be an unpopular position to defend sound science from people who believe that science is out to kill them.

a reply to: Greggers

I voted for the guy.

But certainly not on his science credentials.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: Chadwickus

It's always going to be an unpopular position to defend sound science from people who believe that science is out to kill them.

It probably is, for all we know. The pharmaceutical industry is a multi-billion dollar business, and the Truth will never be getting in the way of billion dollar profits.
We are talking hundreds of billions.
To think any real science or admission of guilt would come from an industry of such magnitude is like praying for Hillary to finally come clean on national television.
And vaccines just so happen to be allot of companies cream crop, the only thing a company can make that the state can enforce and the company endorse.
People that whole-heartily believe in vaccines like others believe in Jesus is scary.
It's very ironic how everyone will rally against the government for corruption, but those very same people think the medical industry is incorruptible.

a reply to: Flesh699

I don't believe the medical industry is incorruptible.

I just don't believe that vaccines, GMOs, or other cutting edge science is bad for us like ignorant conspiracy theories would have us believe.

a reply to: projectvxn

You sound like you personally oversee the production and manufacturing of these vaccines. We can all breath a sigh of relief,

Projectvxn knows the makeup of all grown vaccines.
I can tell you what, personally I have no kids but if i did, I would avoid altogether or wait as long as possible to have my kids vaccinated.
Your systems need to develop first before being exposed to such toxins. Its only logical. Just like you can't eat solids as a newborn, wonder why, digestive system not prepared to deal with solids. You wouldn't expose your newborn to someone with chickenpox would you? Why not? Exposure is good for the young tot.
And like chickenpox, how the strain lies dormant to later return in the form of shingles, who's to say the cocktails of vax given to kids doesn't cause health issues down the line? You?? Please. You know nothing.
Look at all the sick people in our first-world society with first-world healthcare infected with all this cancer despite all this money for all this research. Radiation, chemo, surgery is still what you get.
I know people in the medical industry who had second thoughts of their career when they came to realize they are in practice to deal drugs. If you ever go to the doctor for any reason you will not leave without some sort of prescription.

I went for a routine checkup. A muscular 34 year old at the time.
"Doc" tells me I have I have artery disease!!
I'm like what? I'm healthy as can be.
No you need to see my specialist it's serious you have heart disease. I'm freaked out I go see the guy do all battery of tests sit down with him after this whole crazy ordeal. He asks me how much coffee I drink, I said 3 cups a day. He says cut back to 2 and you'll be fine.
What?? Thats it??? Yeah, you're fine.
F#ckin medical industry. I have to be dying to go to them and I have good medical coverage.
Believe what you want.

a reply to: VinylTyrant

So you mock Projectvxn by saying he must oversee production of all vaccines, suggesting, I'm guessing that we really have no clue as to what is going on.

But then you have seemingly condemned all doctors due to one bad experience with one...?

Are you an expert on all doctors are you?

Hypocrite.

originally posted by: VinylTyrant
a reply to: projectvxn

You sound like you personally oversee the production and manufacturing of these vaccines. We can all breath a sigh of relief,

Projectvxn knows the makeup of all grown vaccines.
I can tell you what, personally I have no kids but if i did, I would avoid altogether or wait as long as possible to have my kids vaccinated.
Your systems need to develop first before being exposed to such toxins. Its only logical. Just like you can't eat solids as a newborn, wonder why, digestive system not prepared to deal with solids. You wouldn't expose your newborn to someone with chickenpox would you? Why not? Exposure is good for the young tot.
And like chickenpox, how the strain lies dormant to later return in the form of shingles, who's to say the cocktails of vax given to kids doesn't cause health issues down the line? You?? Please. You know nothing.
Look at all the sick people in our first-world society with first-world healthcare infected with all this cancer despite all this money for all this research. Radiation, chemo, surgery is still what you get.
I know people in the medical industry who had second thoughts of their career when they came to realize they are in practice to deal drugs. If you ever go to the doctor for any reason you will not leave without some sort of prescription.

I went for a routine checkup. A muscular 34 year old at the time.
"Doc" tells me I have I have artery disease!!
I'm like what? I'm healthy as can be.
No you need to see my specialist it's serious you have heart disease. I'm freaked out I go see the guy do all battery of tests sit down with him after this whole crazy ordeal. He asks me how much coffee I drink, I said 3 cups a day. He says cut back to 2 and you'll be fine.
What?? Thats it??? Yeah, you're fine.
F#ckin medical industry. I have to be dying to go to them and I have good medical coverage.
Believe what you want.

Yes...f*ck the medical industry...the one making us live longer lives! cure horrible diseases. Horrible people!

a reply to: VinylTyrant

I don't respond well to hyperbole or straw man arguments.

I also have no use for your irrelevant anecdote about your experience with a doctor that has nothing to do with vaccines.

a reply to: Flesh699

and is one of the most regulated industries. But still not incorruptible. Just look at all the fines the industry had to pay the past couple of years.

a reply to: projectvxn

heres something concrete to chew on for the ostriches among us....


www.wsj.com...

a reply to: projectvxn

I don't trust the medical industry as a whole same as I don't trust anything mandated by government to shoot into my bloodstream.
Same as I don't trust your word that there's no mercury or other toxins in the shots.
Point being your opinion is just that.

a reply to: projectvxn

its ignorant to not question everything, ESPECIALLY the massive control systems that have been erected to manage the human population.


you speak in the manner of a shill......you havent conceded a single relevant point regarding the efficacy and danger of vaccines, though the vaccine makers themselves include all the potential risks in their inserts. So I guess the question is, if you dont believe even the vaccine makers who admit there are risks, what do you believe?

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I would argue some people live longer lives despite the medical industry as a whole. Of course there is benefit. At the same time people are killed all the time during their stay at hospitals. If it was all at your own risk, fine.

But when you tell every parent in America that their child has to take vaccines and when to take vaccines one size fits all cocktails administered across the board, yes, I say f#ck that.
And you might want to slow down on that "cure" word, that's not very popular.
Nor is it appropriate.
Treatment and cures are vastly different.

If vaccines even cause 1 case of Autism, I would like it studied and figured out why it happened. All the rest of you who just shrug and say "oh well sometimes it happens"... that isn't good enough. Not to these children or their families. I still want vaccines, I just want them to be 99.99999999% safe.