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Time travellers could use parallel dimensions to visit the past, scientists claim

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posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: cyberjedi
This is very true, and there is a profound example of this in American history. Kenney was in another timeline assasinated in 1968, at the end of his second term, after disclosing the existence of alien life. This caused a destabilization of society. Some of this energy has rippled into our timeline, and has caused his assasination in 1963, and the assasinations of his brother and Martin Luther King in 1968.

Also note that time only exists when experienced from a certain point of view, the view experienced from physical reality is one of them. These time-travellers really do not travel at all, they re-identify themselves within the universal holographic matrix that is reality. Some alien species have developed these insights and have technology to facilitate these ideas.

Also note that these travellers can never alter the past of their own original time-line, if they go back in time and change the out-come of an event, it would be the natural outcome of the event for the particular reality they have travelled to. They went to a paralel-reality, one of billions and billions. Energies from paralel realities affect eachother in certain ways.

Also note that we are prohibited to detonate large quantities of nuclear material for this particular reason, it would affect other time-lines considerably.
Nagasaki Hiroshima qualified.




posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 07:21 AM
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originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker
Reminds me of the whole John Titor story, and parallel universes/timelines. Is science really starting to slowly accept this idea? There is more at the link. What does ATS have to say?


I am not one to just believe anything, but it is interesting to have these guy's at least acknowledge the idea and theory.

100% pure BS!
Something to flash to the idiots for grants and tax money.
"Look ma, we're thinkin'!"

T(H)ere exists One ALL INCLUSIVE Universe!
The fictitious movie fodder of parallel Universes is a violation of Occam's Razor; a pathetic attempt to hypothesize upon faulty assumptions. A mess.

Every moment of Universal existence exists Here! Now!
Reality is a synchrony of moments.
The appearance of 'motion' and 'time' is just that, an 'appearance'. Like a movie appears to be things moving; each and every STILL frame exists simultaneously, it is just a feature of the our experience that there appears to be evolution, motion, time for the motion to happen... A dream, make-believe...

All that is ever 'different' is Perspective of the One Universal unchanging Reality!

Every moment of existence exists Now!

"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Here! Now!!

There is only one moment (Planck moment; 10^-43/sec; "almost" one billion trillion trillion trillionths of a second!!!) of the entirety of existence/Reality/the Universe!
All existence, ever, is one, literally, 'timeless' moment!
Now!

All existence IS the Singularity!

It is not possible for some machine to transport us to another synchronous moment/time travel.
One CAN Know other moments, but that comes with expanding Consciousness, not a new car. *__-

I can't wait to see the movie and cutting edge special effex regarding 'time travel using extradimensional highways'!
LOTS of possibilities!!
But, I'm afraid, it will only happen in movies and the imagination.



The book of fudd is no more universal law than the bill of rights. it's no more than measurements. I'm guessing it was made by combining the firstborn of every new creation making it the full measurement of creation. If that's the case then why don't i have permission to, um, well, er, i don't know maybe give every possible consciousness in god's body put them all on a finite rock floating in space that they can't get off of and prove that came first. Sounds perfect to me.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: intrptr


I remember the flatland analogy when I was a kid. one thing I didn't realize at the time was the implications which even sagan doesn't discuss. when we cast light on a 3d object we get a 2d image we call them shadows. easy to see turn on a light and you cast a shadow on a wall. Its a 2d representation of you. But lets take this to the next logical step if we have a 4th dimensional object its shadow would be 3D. Much like a hologram in reverse. To us the shadow would seem like any other 3 dimensional object in our universe. But the kicker is its a shadow and doesn't really exist. So light hitting a forth dimensional object would create a 3 dimensional object we can observe but oddly not interact with.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 07:50 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

He does cover that "shadow" perspective you mention at the end, projecting a shadow of the clear plastic 3D cube on the 2D desk.
edit on 24-12-2016 by intrptr because: clarification



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 07:54 AM
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a reply to: CallmeRaskolnikov

love me some Roland gunslinger.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: ausername
a reply to: Tman2135

On the original timeline Trump dropped out early in the primaries, it was Cruz or Hillary in the general election. Hillary won, and by March 2017 we were well into WW3.



Hehe



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 09:41 AM
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you can not travel back in time.
why would you then think you can travel back in time in another universe?

time is like driving down a road with Lots of cars behind you.
the cars behind you are past time. if you stop or try to go back!

we think of tome in a wrong way.
it is Not like a film that you can see backwoods.
time is a change in the state of some thing.

like if you boil water you get steam.
you have just moved the atoms of the water.

If you could know the positions of ever atom and its momentum and direction.
and then move them to a pattern they ware in from the past.
you could make it look like time travel.

you would need to do this with the whole solar system.
unless it is a short move! and keep earth in its true orbit.
or you slowly pull the planets out of alignment.

but if you have that much power!
you dont Need to time travel.

you could just make in this point in "time"
what ever you want. Gods Dont need to time travel.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 09:55 AM
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Time travel, eh? How does one travel through that which does not exist? Time is not real, it is not a dimension, except only as an abstract mathematical function measurement of 'duration'. What is duration?

We can consider duration as an 'event' that has a beginning and an end. The distance between the beginning and the end is the duration, and it is that which we measure and call 'time'. All things have duration. We cannot pick out any particular duration event and say that is the constant of time. Durations are not absolute, they are diverse in their length of occurrence.

We have, however, taken one particular event of duration, and measured it to depict the 'SI' (French: Système International d'Unités, SI) length of a second...

The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the Caesium 133 atom.
...and...

One of its most important uses is in the ‘caesium clock’ (atomic clock). These clocks are a vital part of the internetand mobile phone networks, as well as Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites. They give the standard measure of time: the electron resonance frequency of the caesium atom is 9,192,631,770 cycles per second. Some caesium clocks are accurate to 1 second in 15 million years.
...you will note that these are measurement of the duration of an event.

They are not measurements of 'time' itself, they are measurements that define a unit of that which we call time. Hence, you cannot travel through that which only exists as a mathematical abstraction.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:03 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: intrptr


I remember the flatland analogy when I was a kid. one thing I didn't realize at the time was the implications which even sagan doesn't discuss. when we cast light on a 3d object we get a 2d image we call them shadows. easy to see turn on a light and you cast a shadow on a wall. Its a 2d representation of you. But lets take this to the next logical step if we have a 4th dimensional object its shadow would be 3D. Much like a hologram in reverse. To us the shadow would seem like any other 3 dimensional object in our universe. But the kicker is its a shadow and doesn't really exist. So light hitting a forth dimensional object would create a 3 dimensional object we can observe but oddly not interact with.

I'm thinking more along the lines of an airplane and an oveanliner. Planes even leave a white wake like a ship. There is only one property that sustains their position. Planes and ships sink and fall but airfoils and boyancy generate the "levity".



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:05 AM
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originally posted by: elysiumfire
Time travel, eh? How does one travel through that which does not exist? Time is not real, it is not a dimension, except only as an abstract mathematical function measurement of 'duration'. What is duration?

We can consider duration as an 'event' that has a beginning and an end. The distance between the beginning and the end is the duration, and it is that which we measure and call 'time'. All things have duration. We cannot pick out any particular duration event and say that is the constant of time. Durations are not absolute, they are diverse in their length of occurrence.

We have, however, taken one particular event of duration, and measured it to depict the 'SI' (French: Système International d'Unités, SI) length of a second...

The second is the duration of 9 192 631 770 periods of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the two hyperfine levels of the ground state of the Caesium 133 atom.
...and...

One of its most important uses is in the ‘caesium clock’ (atomic clock). These clocks are a vital part of the internetand mobile phone networks, as well as Global Positioning System (GPS) satellites. They give the standard measure of time: the electron resonance frequency of the caesium atom is 9,192,631,770 cycles per second. Some caesium clocks are accurate to 1 second in 15 million years.
...you will note that these are measurement of the duration of an event.

They are not measurements of 'time' itself, they are measurements that define a unit of that which we call time. Hence, you cannot travel through that which only exists as a mathematical abstraction.
what about dark matter



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: flice
Sometimes I get the feeling that this is true to the extend that jumping between verses happens more often than we think and completely on the fly and unnoticable.

Wether its our choices that define the jump or if its completely random I dont know.

Do you ever have that feeling where its like you dont even recognise or know you otherwise coherent and unaffected loved ones? Like they are them but with a twist and then the next day back again.

I define myself.... as in the "self".... as nothing more than a piece of software or the driver of a vehicle. The body that inhabits any given universe is merely a vehicle.
So exchanging software is easy.

But I would guess that there are still some underlying rules governing this exchange. Fx I couldnt go inhabit a body that is 20 pounds lighter over night... it would cause a shock.

You know how you identify the original time traveler? He's the guy who knows how to identify the original. It's whoever shuts # down without knowing and then changes time travel all together. I'd imagine he would be the only one to verify what you're not allowed.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:20 AM
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This reminds of that show Sliders, I haven't seen that on tv in at least 10 years and that was reruns. I hope in my lifetime we will be able to prove without a doubt there are parallel universe's and hopefully take a peek inside them as well. Thanks for the article OP, another step closer.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:21 AM
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spectranometron:

What about dark matter?


What about about it? It doesn't enter into the equation. We can't measure dark matter, which is why it is called 'dark matter', we can only 'infer' its possible existence by any influence it may be causing.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: elysiumfire
spectranometron:

What about dark matter?


What about about it? It doesn't enter into the equation. We can't measure dark matter, which is why it is called 'dark matter', we can only 'infer' its possible existence by any influence it may be causing.
we can travel through it is what i was referring to.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:50 AM
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a reply to: spectranometron
As well time is a measurement of duration that was developed originally as a method of measuring distance and size as a constant compared to the constant of the moons orbit.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:52 AM
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The Egyptians came very close to measuring earth.



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:53 AM
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A physical abstraction in that time.

edit on 12-24 by spectranometron because: Pride



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 11:59 AM
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I'm so skeptical of these claims that I don't really take them seriously.

Is there any way to conduct testing to prove it?
Let me go ask the dragon in my garage...



posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 12:58 PM
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spectranometron:

We can travel through it is what i was referring to.


Maybe we can, maybe we can't? How would you know you are travelling through dark matter when you cannot interact with it? Even if you could know, what point are you making about it with regard to travelling through time?
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posted on Dec, 24 2016 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: verschickter
As a kid I had those main thoughts about the universe:

a) If it´s infinite, there are infinite me´s doing the exact same thing I do. Then there are infinite me´s, doing almost the exact same thing. Then there are infinite me´s doing the exact same thing but not wearing shoes. In this infinite infiniteness, everything has already happened and will happen.

b) If nobody looks into a room, it´s not there. To be precise, without knowing about photons, I thougt as soon as something is not observed, it "isn´t".

I also could not grasp, that others can not grasp my concept of infinite. The standard answer always was: "But somewhere it has to stop." No one ever asked the question, how this can all work in 3D space? I would have answered there are infinite dimension. Mind blown.

Turns out, at least with b) I´m was not alone, as I´ve read similar things here on ATS from members who said they thought something along those lines as a kid, too.


y = 1/x is infinitely large set of values. At no point will y ever be 0. 0 does not exist in its universe.

Your concept of infinity is wrong.
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