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White House Warns Against Blaming Religion of Islam After Ohio State Attack

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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: loam

What I see is Christians trying to take away rights from gays, transgender people, women, etc. in the name of their religion. Let's call a spade a spade. They are CHRISTIAN homophobes, CHRISTIAN transphobes and CHRISTIAN anti-choicers. Not all homophobes/transphobes/anti-choicers are Christian, but the vast majority of them are. So let's recognize that and talk about it and the problems with Christianity and Christians who fall into this category. Let's not shy away from it. Let's talk about it in social media, and in the news. Let's have lots of documentaries about it. Let's have movies about Christian homophobes. Let's have the new president have a major press conference discussing the problems of the acts of Christian homophobia, Christian transphobia and Christians against women's reproductive rights. Let's talk about the fact that we don't have millions of Christians who are not homophobes/transphobes/anti-choicers in the streets publicly denouncing their brothers and sisters in Christ who want to take away other people's rights because of their supposed religious beliefs.

Dragging it out in the public and discussing over and over the problems inherent in Christianity - is a good thing, right? It will bring us all together, right?




posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 09:42 AM
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Let's have movies about Christian homophobes.

You might enjoy a film, Cookie's Fortune. Glenn Close character epitomizes that dual natured hypocrisy.
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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

All those criticisms apply equally to Islam.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Sure, and we should advocate criticizing them both and all the people who follow them - all the time. Cuz that's what will bring us together as a country.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Still is a veil of protection when it cones to closes friends and family members that knows their love ones are acting in a way that is not normal and would not come forward to expose the danger, until is too late.

That is a fact.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:00 AM
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Organized religion, regardless of what type of religion, is the biggest scam ever pulled on the people of this planet.

Billions fall for it.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

I'm not sure anyone has said all Muslims besides yourself, and if they have, they would be making a faulty generalization.

I've been to a few Muslim countries, and most of what you listed is illegal, if not punishable by death. Try being gay or trans or atheist in any country where Islam is the high authority. Try being Christian in any of those countries. In Palestine it is illegal to brandish a crucifix, and most of the Palestinian Christians have fled, just like the Coptics in Egypt, ever since Islamic rulers have taken power. That's real division perpetrated by a superstitious religion.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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I think what people are failing to understand when Obama warns against blaming Islam for ISIS, is really that he's warning us not to be so quick as to declare war on a "religion". Because, when you declare war on a religion you get "religious wars" that will, without a doubt, make the issue Christian against Muslim, instead of American against religious fascism.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: loam

What I see is Christians trying to take away rights from gays, transgender people, women, etc. in the name of their religion. Let's call a spade a spade. They are CHRISTIAN homophobes, CHRISTIAN transphobes and CHRISTIAN anti-choicers. Not all homophobes/transphobes/anti-choicers are Christian, but the vast majority of them are. So let's recognize that and talk about it and the problems with Christianity and Christians who fall into this category. Let's not shy away from it. Let's talk about it in social media, and in the news. Let's have lots of documentaries about it. Let's have movies about Christian homophobes. Let's have the new president have a major press conference discussing the problems of the acts of Christian homophobia, Christian transphobia and Christians against women's reproductive rights. Let's talk about the fact that we don't have millions of Christians who are not homophobes/transphobes/anti-choicers in the streets publicly denouncing their brothers and sisters in Christ who want to take away other people's rights because of their supposed religious beliefs.

Dragging it out in the public and discussing over and over the problems inherent in Christianity - is a good thing, right? It will bring us all together, right?


How sad this post is.

So you completely ignored my post?

There is a difference between maligning religious belief and identifying acts of terror in the name of a religion.

They...are...not...the...same...thing.

Do the ellipses help?

Radical Islamists... Check.

Radical Christians... Check.

Both terms can be used appropriately to describe people who are willing to engage in acts of violence motivated by their religious belief. But using such terms would not be appropriate to simply malign the religious belief itself.

This really isn't brain surgery.
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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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Not blaming Islam where blame is due is the biggest threat to western values. The left looks the other way as they take over. Pretty sad they can't see that all their liberal loving ideologies will be the first to go when their immigrants they let in are beheading them for their bleeding heart liberalism.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:10 AM
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What was it General Patton said??

Something about the point of war is not to die for your country or your God, but to make sure the other side dies for theirs.
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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:12 AM
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a reply to: kaylaluv

Perhaps you'll see the error of putting what's 'right' before what's necessary before it's too late, with the trump win there is hope but I think you libs have a legit sickness in the mind



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Profusion


Obama will not use the words "radical Islam"..


He's right. There is no "radical Islam". There's just "Islam."

The thing is, Islam believes that Muslims are the hand of the almighty, so Muslims pass and carry out the judgments.

Allah is the merciful, but his Muslim followers are not.

In Christianity, God is the judge, and vengeance is reserved to the Lord. But, remember, Christians used to do things like the Muslims do today. Christians used to judge people to be witches and burn them at the stake. They didn't wait for God to punish. They believed that they were right to execute others in the name of the Lord. Christians even punished people for saying the earth was round, when the priests doctrine was flat earth.

We didn't call it "Radical Christianity" back then. So, why should we call it "Radical Islam" today? It's just Islam.

Christians moved on from their "radical" ways, and have learnt to interpret the scriptures more precisely. Jesus said to forgive, and turn the other cheek, if they take your coat, then give them your cloak also, etc...the message took a few centuries to "sink in."

Islam is a younger religion, and the Muslims are just now learning, and haven't "grown up" yet.

The Muslims are currently going through the same "adolescence" the Christians went through in the middle ages.

The Muslim constantly misinterprets the scriptures. Just as the Christians used to misinterpret the scriptures in the past age.

It is true that the Lord uses man to carry out "some" judgments. As it says,



And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. -- KJV, Genesis 9:5


But, the Lord also "qualifies" this statement, saying "when" he would do so..



Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. -- KJV Genesis 9:6


So, you can't just go around killing innocent people. You can only kill the killers. Moreover, the Lord promised...



Whoso keepeth the commandment shall feel no evil thing: and a wise man's heart discerneth both time and judgment. -- KJV Ecclesiastes 8:5


To kill people who have not themselves killed anyone, is to go against the almighty, for he promised to keep safe those who keep his word safe.






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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:41 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

January 20, 2017 cannot come quick enough.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 10:52 AM
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I see the WH as being technically correct... (but that's just semantics from a biased, "Islamic apologist" worldview...)


the inspiration of the lone-wolf terror spree in Ohio came from the propaganda at of ISIS/IS
came a few days earlier in the ISIS Terror Magazine article which instructed interested parties
(probably 100% Muslim Jihadist participants/advocates) just how to use a knife on persons not in accord to living a Muslim life or else an Infidel or an Apostate, Christian, Buddhist, etc. and another instruction in making 'ember bombs' designed to cause a forest fire after the arsonist was far away from the scene

real life & practical action tells us that for the next 20-50 years the west, including the USA & the EU will have a continuing problem with the flood of refugees who engulfed the western societies with persons with a idealized idea of their status in the civic world of human laws...that Islam & Sharia Law is superior to common & civil rule-of-law, and inflicting harm & injury including a death sentence on their 'enemy' is Their responsibility and purpose-in-life

the WH will in the future be either hailed or hooted for the present stance on
Islam/radical Jihad/crowding the government with scores of high positioned Muslim Brotherhood persons, the insistence and denial that the use of Terror is a integral part of Islam


 

 


Fresh from the Web: www.yahoo.com...

STORY: IS claims jihadist 'soldier' behind Ohio attack



in the body of the Article... we find this clear concise message to the readers:

US media reported that a Facebook page thought to belong to him -- since taken offline -- included grievances against the United States.
"I can't take it any more. America! Stop interfering with other countries, especially the Muslim Ummah. We are not weak. We are not weak, remember that," a post quoted by ABC television said, using a term referring to the global community of Muslims..



in this it is agreed and stressed that he felt slighted as a Muslim here in America


then:

Chicago (AFP) - The Somali student who wounded 11 people in a car-ramming and knife attack on an Ohio university campus was a "soldier" of the Islamic State group, a jihadist-linked news agency said Tuesday.
The Amaq agency said the rampage by Abdul Razak Ali Artan, a logistics student at Ohio State University, was the result of IS calls to action...


note the 'deflection' of being an oppressed Muslim following Islam... to the separation of Islam from the Islamic State group itself...
the wording was such to distinguish Islam rules-of-treatment regarding Infidels which is totally swept-under-the-rug
To the ISIS/IslamicState claim that the actions taken were that of a fighting soldier and not on a Faith based hatred to rid the world of Infidels who mal-treat Muslims (in their eyes)



this article, the WH releases, are all operations on white-washing the situation... the perp is according to the faithful, not guilty of criminal intent, he was a 'soldier' that had no instructions from the hate baiting Imams found at many Mosques for Friday Prayers & instructions...

the final assumption is attacking civilians on the streets is not criminal activity nor is it Religious based , thus righteous, 'spanking' the Non-Muslims in general by a self declared 'Soldier' in the Caliphate Army under "IS' and the propaganda magazine Dabiq...

(an invisible agent-of-change as POTUS#44 would term this now dead perp.)
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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 11:10 AM
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The mistake the Left is making is that its so-called progressive goals have nothing in common with the medieval tenants of fundamentalist Islam. Militant Muslims have no respect for American progressives, any more than they respect the very existence of Israel.

Fundamentalist Islam is using the American Left to advance its own agenda. Militant Muslims want Islam and sharia law to dominate the West. Their goal is to subvert the U.S. Constitution and our way of life to the will of Allah. The word Islam means submission.

What members of the American Left seem blind to is the fact that in countries where Islam dominates, their progressive ideas would be crushed and many of them would be thrown in jail simply because of their lifestyle choices.

Yet, the American Left continues to serve as apologist-in-chief for fundamentalist Islam.

Why?

Because deep down American Leftists are terrified of Islamic fundamentalists?



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: ker2010
Because deep down American Leftists are terrified of Islamic fundamentalists?


I wonder if this is true? It's an interesting thought.

I tend to go with 'wishful' thinking.

Perhaps both are true.


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posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The issues you speak of in those countries are political and cultural issues. Islam itself does not call for this division. The Quran does not call for this division. The Quran says that Christians should be left in peace, as long as they are not attacking Muslims.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 11:32 AM
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You are correct that the acts of terror have nothing to do with religious belief. You are correct in your implication that the terror is done only "in the name" of Islam, not because of anything the Quran says. "In name only" does not mean that Islam has anything really to do with these acts of terror. These acts of terror are strictly political - not religious.

By using the name Islam and attaching it to acts of terror, you are falsely attributing a religion to the acts. It has nothing to do with the beliefs of Islam. It has only to do with politics and cultural clashes. Because religion is very important to the people of these countries, it is convenient for the terrorists to use it for political gain.



posted on Nov, 30 2016 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The issues you speak of in those countries are political and cultural issues. Islam itself does not call for this division. The Quran does not call for this division. The Quran says that Christians should be left in peace, as long as they are not attacking Muslims.


That depends entirely on the interpretation of the Qur'an.

The strictest literal interpretations often lead to radicalization.



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