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Trump suggests jail, loss of citizenship for burning U.S. flag

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:54 AM
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originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
a reply to: Vasa Croe

I guess you have to bleed for it to realize it doesn't mean all that much compared to real things.

I defended something once, and am now disabled from my service to my "country".

It wasn't what I was led to believe it was.

My body and my life are real and cannot be replaced, a goddamned piece of cloth can be replaced.

The flag doesn't make me feel any better no matter what part of my body I wrap it around.


Are you a US veteran? If so, what made your opinion change and if so/not, why did you join whatever army in the first place? Plenty of people have hindsight from decisions made.

Are you upset about your decision because you became disabled because of it? Or are you upset because of some other action that made you make that decision? Basically, what were you led to believe and what did you find out that changed your mind?




posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: oddnutz
It was a good idea when Hillary co sponsored the same law in the senate, but if Trump suggests it, bad Trump!


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]


en.wikipedia.org...



Likely exactly why Trump tweeted that.

He is very good at stirring the pot with past Hillary actions that she can't dismiss.


More 4-d chess? The man is brilliant. He shines a light on flag-burning and the hypocrisy of certain voters all with a simple tweet.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: oddnutz
It was a good idea when Hillary co sponsored the same law in the senate, but if Trump suggests it, bad Trump!


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]


en.wikipedia.org...



Likely exactly why Trump tweeted that.

He is very good at stirring the pot with past Hillary actions that she can't dismiss.


More 4-d chess? The man is brilliant. He shines a light on flag-burning and the hypocrisy of certain voters all with a simple tweet.


Yesterday it was his Patreus consideration for State dept. That has to be a joke.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:59 AM
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a reply to: luthier

A joke?
Why?
What did Patreus do that disqualifies him from service?



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Nothing if we are considering Hilary as the new standard.

Although leaking classified info to a reporter is prob next level stuff.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:01 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: oddnutz
It was a good idea when Hillary co sponsored the same law in the senate, but if Trump suggests it, bad Trump!


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]


en.wikipedia.org...



Likely exactly why Trump tweeted that.

He is very good at stirring the pot with past Hillary actions that she can't dismiss.


More 4-d chess? The man is brilliant. He shines a light on flag-burning and the hypocrisy of certain voters all with a simple tweet.


The only thing he has shined a light on is his propensity for authoritarian ideals.

Obey the state, pay homage to the flag...or else.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:02 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe



Socialism isn't just about the economy. And yes very ultra-socialist of you.


Ok. Please explain what this has to do with socialism?



I have no problem showing my emotion for a country I care about and the symbol that has stood as its beacon through all the tough times.


As George Carlin said: "Symbols are for the symbol-minded".



Do you think precious immigrants didn't look at the US flag as a symbol of freedom?


Why does that matter? Symbols are symbols and freedoms are freedoms. You can't take away someone's freedom because they are not as "symbol-minded" as you.



I would even venture to say that the US flag has been the most recognized symbol of freedom in history. But yeah, let's burn the very thing that gave us hope for decades with the current version and centuries for it in general. Let's disgrace the very symbol that this country was built on because of tyrannical reign from a foreign country.


Jailing someone for using their right to speak is not tyranny?



Fact is, the ultra-socialists in the US are completely "over-sensitizing" everyone, to the point of "disensitizing" them in the process. It will end when nobody has a feeling of belonging to anything except those in their immediate vicinity/neighborhood or only those they completely agree with on every issue.


Again, explain how socialism comes in to play here. I think you are talking out of your ass.


I'm not a school teacher. Feel free to hone up on socialism and it's FULL meaning (not just your "economic" tunnel vision) in your free time. If you can't speak intelligently to the argument and only resort to insults then you are already losing.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:03 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Tweets are more like passing thoughts than ideals.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: oddnutz
It was a good idea when Hillary co sponsored the same law in the senate, but if Trump suggests it, bad Trump!


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]


en.wikipedia.org...



Likely exactly why Trump tweeted that.

He is very good at stirring the pot with past Hillary actions that she can't dismiss.


More 4-d chess? The man is brilliant. He shines a light on flag-burning and the hypocrisy of certain voters all with a simple tweet.

You mean his own supporters who support this tweet?



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: introvert

Supporters of Trump, nearly down to a man, share the trait of wanting to relieve others of freedoms they themselves cannot understand the purpose of. Whether that's marrying someone of the same sex, or burning a flag, if it's a freedom they've no personal use of, they want to see it stripped of their countryman. The most craven among them call for a singular "ethnostate" and most of them want something of this sort, but they all want some form of monostate where those with whom they differ substantially enough have no place.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:04 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe



Socialism isn't just about the economy. And yes very ultra-socialist of you.


Ok. Please explain what this has to do with socialism?



I have no problem showing my emotion for a country I care about and the symbol that has stood as its beacon through all the tough times.


As George Carlin said: "Symbols are for the symbol-minded".



Do you think precious immigrants didn't look at the US flag as a symbol of freedom?


Why does that matter? Symbols are symbols and freedoms are freedoms. You can't take away someone's freedom because they are not as "symbol-minded" as you.



I would even venture to say that the US flag has been the most recognized symbol of freedom in history. But yeah, let's burn the very thing that gave us hope for decades with the current version and centuries for it in general. Let's disgrace the very symbol that this country was built on because of tyrannical reign from a foreign country.


Jailing someone for using their right to speak is not tyranny?



Fact is, the ultra-socialists in the US are completely "over-sensitizing" everyone, to the point of "disensitizing" them in the process. It will end when nobody has a feeling of belonging to anything except those in their immediate vicinity/neighborhood or only those they completely agree with on every issue.


Again, explain how socialism comes in to play here. I think you are talking out of your ass.


I'm not a school teacher. Feel free to hone up on socialism and it's FULL meaning (not just your "economic" tunnel vision) in your free time. If you can't speak intelligently to the argument and only resort to insults then you are already losing.


I have a philosophy degree. Socialism is hardly one thing.

It's very different for a Finnish population then the US.

Socialism happens all the time here in the south with the church communities.

The problem is when a federal government with a nonhomogenius culture collide with progressive ideology of making better people with legislation.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: luthier

LOL
So it is ok for Hil but not for the general?
Oh and wasn't that lover/reporter cause that omission could be germaine.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:05 AM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe



I'm not a school teacher. Feel free to hone up on socialism and it's FULL meaning (not just your "economic" tunnel vision) in your free time.


I'm a socialist. I know quite a bit about socialism and it's many facets. That is why I am confused by your comments.



If you can't speak intelligently to the argument and only resort to insults then you are already losing.


How did I insult you? I made the statement that I believe you are talking out of your ass and I stand by that. I don't believe you know what you are talking about. It seems to me that you injected the "ultra-socialist" remarks to counter my comments about ultra-nationalism, but it doesn't have anything to do with the topic.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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a reply to: introvert

No opinion allowed except what you agree with?
Typical day at the forum...........



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: oddnutz
It was a good idea when Hillary co sponsored the same law in the senate, but if Trump suggests it, bad Trump!


The Flag Protection Act of 2005 was a proposed United States federal law introduced by Senators Hillary Clinton and Robert Bennett. The law would have outlawed flag burning, and called for a punishment of one year in jail and a fine of $100,000.[1][2]


en.wikipedia.org...



Likely exactly why Trump tweeted that.

He is very good at stirring the pot with past Hillary actions that she can't dismiss.


More 4-d chess? The man is brilliant. He shines a light on flag-burning and the hypocrisy of certain voters all with a simple tweet.

You mean his own supporters who support this tweet?


Is that like a retweet? "Supporting a tweet" sounds stupid.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:06 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Jail and loss of citizenship, loss of whatever for burning or defacing a symbol of a thing?.

...Ok...And there are those who have issues with Muslims cutting off people's heads and tearing stuff up over insulting the Prophet Muhammad, or burning the Q'ran or whatever symbol the babies wanna be sensitive about on this or that day...

Grow the # up and realize your current president is a #ing idiot who wants to respond to trivialities the same way as those he claims to be against...

I don't usually call people idiots, but this # is just getting #ing ridiculous.

Don't be one.


Some here don't look at the US flag like a company logo...call me crazy but I find the fact that a LOT of people died to keep that flag from falling is something important to remember.

And our current POTUS is Obama...and yes he is everything you just described and then some.


Back in the 1920-1940's you would have been arrested for desecrating the flag. Times indeed have changed hahah and not always for the better.

You probably would have been labeled a Nazi sympathyzer in those times.


Well apparently I am already being labelled an ultra-nationalist because I care about what the US flag stands for.

It's all background noise to me really. I just hope these same feelings that the ultra-socialist lefties have now don't ever extend to those that actually defend our country, and by defend I mean die for it, not protest about it. If that happened we can all just wait for the super peaceful takeover by another country who just hasn't gone to sensitivity training yet.

I'm a veteran and I support the right to burn a flag. In fact I could care less what someone does to that piece of cloth. My idea of what America is and represents extends BEYOND a simple cloth. It's a nice stop gap representation but only a shallow person would put that much weight behind a symbol that they'd pursue legal actions against people who ruin it.

You sound like the crazy Muslims who will lynch you if you portray Mohammad in a bad light.


Yes...I am just one step away from a good lynching. /sarcasm

So if I have pride and respect for my country's symbol of freedom I am a radical now? Wow....just really wow.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: introvert

Tweets are more like passing thoughts than ideals.


Or perhaps a medium in which his true thoughts are expressed.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: 4N0M4LY

originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: MyHappyDogShiner
Jail and loss of citizenship, loss of whatever for burning or defacing a symbol of a thing?.

...Ok...And there are those who have issues with Muslims cutting off people's heads and tearing stuff up over insulting the Prophet Muhammad, or burning the Q'ran or whatever symbol the babies wanna be sensitive about on this or that day...

Grow the # up and realize your current president is a #ing idiot who wants to respond to trivialities the same way as those he claims to be against...

I don't usually call people idiots, but this # is just getting #ing ridiculous.

Don't be one.


Some here don't look at the US flag like a company logo...call me crazy but I find the fact that a LOT of people died to keep that flag from falling is something important to remember.

And our current POTUS is Obama...and yes he is everything you just described and then some.


Back in the 1920-1940's you would have been arrested for desecrating the flag. Times indeed have changed hahah and not always for the better.

You probably would have been labeled a Nazi sympathyzer in those times.


Well apparently I am already being labelled an ultra-nationalist because I care about what the US flag stands for.

It's all background noise to me really. I just hope these same feelings that the ultra-socialist lefties have now don't ever extend to those that actually defend our country, and by defend I mean die for it, not protest about it. If that happened we can all just wait for the super peaceful takeover by another country who just hasn't gone to sensitivity training yet.

I'm a veteran and I support the right to burn a flag. In fact I could care less what someone does to that piece of cloth. My idea of what America is and represents extends BEYOND a simple cloth. It's a nice stop gap representation but only a shallow person would put that much weight behind a symbol that they'd pursue legal actions against people who ruin it.

You sound like the crazy Muslims who will lynch you if you portray Mohammad in a bad light.


Yes...I am just one step away from a good lynching. /sarcasm

So if I have pride and respect for my country's symbol of freedom I am a radical now? Wow....just really wow.


Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never said you shouldn't respect the flag and I didn't say that people who did are radicals. I SAID that people who want to punish people for desecrating the flag are analogous to the Muslims who want to punish people for desecrating Mohammad. Reading comprehension. Give it a try sometime.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: shooterbrody

Nah it isn't good in either case. I am not an either or guy. I don't like a hot poker in my eye OR a sword in the belly.

Patreus having exposed classified info and admitted doing so isn't a good negotiator out in the world. Especially when he goes to Thailand.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 10:08 AM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

WOW
I think you are describing a university campus?




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