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Trump suggests jail, loss of citizenship for burning U.S. flag

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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:31 AM
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originally posted by: Shr00mz


Practice of Terrorism:
Burning books, flags,



Nonsense. There's no terror in burning a flag. It's a symbol. Not a person.




posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:44 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Being victorious and burning flag from country who at time committed horrendous Boston massacre among other things? It's not that burning flag is wrong, it's your own flag. We burnt Nazi flags, so did Germans.

You guys can cry and bitch but I am glad it's a law as it should be.

Evil nasty people I speak of are terrorist, pirates, fascist... yknow... people who shout "death to america" and do the same stuff... who strap bombs to children. You know... the guys who try kill us... want women to wear mask... all jews to die.. who love just watching you ruin this country more.

You don't need to burn it, you flip it upside down. That's just simply the American way.

You have a right to speak your mind. We're all doing it right now. Have right to protests.

Don't have a right to defile us as nation, what right have you? Denounce your citizenship? where # gonna go? Place represents something else? monarchy? radical muslim? fascist korean? Think they want a weakass punk who burn their flag of THEY DON'T KILL you for having ANY type of opinion? What about the natives?

you don't have right start fires and flip cars over like Raiders lossed superbowl.

Honestly, if pulled this # back in the day your own protesters would stomp your brains out. But then again we're in time where these people protect equal rights to NAMBLA and trying to desensitise child pornography and shout racists because we voted Obama than Trump. Seen Hillary scam America for over decade and didn't touch it with 10 foot poll.

You guys are traitors to burn flag over a traitor who WILL go to jail. Looks like can join her. lmao

Most this is from low 20s, sucking on titty when rest of us watched political Clinton scams... day in day out.. from trashing whitehouse... to impeachment...to didn't inhale or rape that girl or screwed that other one... don't stand naked to redwood trees... didn't form ISIS.. pretender to go AGAINST Bush even tho best friends and jointly own Bush/Clinton foundation...Kosovo incident...Haiti....backed by Soros who wanted in other countries for destroying their currency...dude it goes on and on and on... and so happens all tied to human trafficking and people who was arrested for pedophilia.. who deleted federal investigation evidence..who literally STOLE items from White House? I mean #... why not move to Iran/Korea if that's the behavior you support (No one else will take you)

You lost, things are changing. Do what you said and leave. Iran needs flag burners. Craigslist Iran has post up right now. 10 cents hour to hate America. Probably see you in a year.

Remember...I am old enough to know better. I was dupped when Bill Clinton won. Boy was that a smoke and mirror. good cop, bad cop. That's what vote for Clinton got me. Fact check, Hillary was mastermind THEN cause Bills an IDIOT. She already had her term and it was shat.

Before you reply to my useless ramble... what cause do you have to burn the flag? Other than loosing to fair f#cking landslide.

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I think guys just want a free TV honestly. That what it's really about? Stolen Samsung with cracked screen?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: Shr00mz
a reply to: Xcathdra

... what cause do you have to burn the flag?


It's my flag. I paid for it. I can burn it. What more cause is needed?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 03:20 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Get what ask for I guess lol.

No changing me.

I look up who's burning flags and it's mostly angry latinos/Mexicans..ironically

Mexico
The use of the National Symbols (Coat of Arms, Anthem and National Flag) in Mexico is protected by law.[71] In México the desecration of the flag is illegal. Although punishment is not sought often and are usually not harsh, there are a few instances; for example, in 2008 a federal judge convicted an individual for 'desecrating the flag' in a poem. The ministry that oversees the use of national symbols requested four years in jail, but the judge only issued a small fine and a public warning.[72]

Most countries from China, Russia, Japan, New Zealand.. Most of world agrees its stupid act. One day it will be here too. Most countries who can't FLIP it around are allowed to burn like Australia. Canada... but they actually love and respect their flag.

Italy... not only can you not burn the flag, can't burn any foreign flag. Good for them.

You see, how can a nation as a whole become one and respect each other when you disrespect the entire nation?

What's sad is people come from bad life, to slightly better one, and in return they burn the American flag.The irony of stupidity. Won't go back Mexico and do it cause it's illegal.

Even if it's legal, no one condoned it. No ones rooting for you to burn it.In fact should be little worried because it's fairly 50/50(from pills I've read)...and 50% who are for it is loosing interest so those don't think it could happen when he is president and that ball gets rolling good if something like that does happen.

In 2006 is was like 73% or so thought should be illegal but no one pushed for it. So literally could have already happened folks. Trump really getting love from Republican which run house and Senate.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:48 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

This country's got 99 problems and flag burning is not one of them & if its it's not high priority. Fix the economy, fix the healthcare, fix the education and see how many people still want to burn the flag. Everybody milling about in despondency because the future looks bleak is a major cause of social unrest. Give them hope and a carrot to chase (good jobs) and it'll be a lot harder to hate the government.

But if that's too much trouble I guess you can just pull on the jackboots and threaten dissent with imprisonment and loss of citizenship. Maybe a few public executions just to get everyone's attention. We're supposed to learn from history but I guess people just never learn. After every period of enlightenment someone comes along and knocks it all back to the dark ages. You had a pretty good run.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:55 AM
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a reply to: Shr00mz

I'll share this again since I think it's relevant -

"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".

- President Andrew Shepard
The American President (1995)



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 04:59 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

Mr. Trump is Wrong here . Burning a National Flag in Public should be met with a Stiff Monatary Fine instead . It could also be considered a Form of Arson if a Judge wishes to Interpet it as such .



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:04 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

It's protected by the first amendment so no criminal charge applies to it.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 05:41 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Suppose in the process of Burning a Flag , someone is Burned , or something Catches on Fire ? a Public Hazard IMO , other than being a Very Stupid form of Public Protest Protected by a Constitutional Right . What does it Accomplish ? Absolutely Nothing other than SHAME and a Lack of Respect for a Nation that Gave that Freedom to Burn it by the Blood of it's Patriots .



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:24 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I don't mind being yelled at. I don't mind being wrong. I don't mind being politically correct. I don't mind a lot of things. I've been unsatisfied with countries progression further than I can bare to remember. Wether wrong or right you have right to speak. No one is saying can't have an opinion and your entire reply is very ignorant because it's something more than most accept. That's why most Americans aren't burning the flag.

Saying do what I've done for 30+ years.

Fact check. American Flag is symbol for America. America and it's flag is a WORLD recognize symbol of freedom. Most of world including most people in America think it's wrong at least half.

Honestly using shat boring ass Michael Douglas quotes to someone don't know is also very ignorant. You don't know me on a personal level. Singing about land of free because it is my right (oxymoron) or simple because I fought, risked LIFE AND LIMB to preach it. Maybe Freedom took my legs? Maybe I battle suicide every day from it? Not that matters to anyone here that people died for flag... millions dead isn't an excuse..and by no means is that asinine script fantasy of quote relevant to #. Real world has real problems, fake world has fake problems.

When day comes im living in fartville, tv land is day I take anything a fictional character words to heart.

But... I see anyone burning my flag I'm gonna kick # out of them. Hard.

One day people will understand "Make USA Mexico again" and assaulting people and burning flag that DOES harm and hurt people isn't a matter of free speech, it's declaration of war.

I actually like fact they are doing it, because if they'd not Trump wouldn't even mentioned it (as of 2015) and shows your true colors. Everyone loves to know the moron ass clown of the group. What would be nice is fact they catch them and find out here illegally. .. then it's domestic terrorism and instead of deported never seen from again. Maybe then don't need to repeal constitution (which you don't anyway) people think you HAVE too... there's lots countries that allow free speech and have a constitution (bigger than ours even) and manage to still protect the sanctity of their flag (that they view as SYMBOL OF FREEDOM )

People forget that Bush basically wiped his ass with constitution and so did Obama. Things changed since 1991. A LOT.

Some, in military live by simple code, a simple saying. "Burn this flag, and I'll burn you. " Some of you on here probably too young but after towers fell was grief. minute terrorist torched our flag millions rushed to booths and fought each other just to be first in line to kickass.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:31 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

If an accidental fire starts it still would not be arson. Arson requires "intent" - to destroy property belonging to someone else intentionally.

I do understand what you are saying so im not trying to be difficult. Im looking at it from a legal aspect.

As for burning a flag... To be honest, and with all due respect to those in uniform, I can see both sides. I love my country however I think the ultimate example of our Constitution and the freedom it guarantees is the ability to burn the flag in protest.

I believe that the US is more than just a flag and I think it will continue to be the best regardless of a flag.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:34 AM
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a reply to: Shr00mz

I would like to Think some of my Family Members didn't Die for their Country for Nothing , but when I see someone Burning the Stars and Stripes , I get Angry that those Fools Only see the Symbolism in it , and not the IDEAL...........



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:36 AM
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originally posted by: Shr00mz
But... I see anyone burning my flag I'm gonna kick # out of them. Hard.


Sure you will.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I understand what you are saying in a Legal aspect , but Again , What does Burning an American Flag Accomplish other than Pissing other People Off ? In Reality , it is Not a Protest , but an Act of Vanity and Ignorance . To Bad we do not have Laws Against that , eh ?



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
To Bad we do not have Laws Against that , eh ?


Because we need more laws.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:51 AM
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a reply to: Zanti Misfit

lmao jesus...

Symbolism in short is the overal all ideal or it wouldn't be a symbol for our ideals as Americans. ROFLMAO. This is been best asinine post yet.

Look, this ain't rocket science. You're mad... your pissed... You hate what happen to America... You stand up, FLIP IT UP SIDE DOWN, and RESPECTFULLY VOICE YOUR OPINION. Most Americans do that. I did it for years.

There are protocols to express anger.

It's WRONG to burn Flag. PERIOD. I mean it's right f#cking up there with killing Bald Eagle in my book.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: Shr00mz
It's WRONG to burn Flag. PERIOD. I mean it's right f#cking up there with killing Bald Eagle in my book.


I certainly would not put burning an inanimate object on remotely the same level as killing a living creature.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

"It's up there with it" Is it the EXACT same? No. Does it EQUALLY piss me and others off? Yep.

Can it be...
1 ) killing eagle
2) ripping constitution
3) burning flag
4) Michael Douglas



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 06:58 AM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Xcathdra

I understand what you are saying in a Legal aspect , but Again , What does Burning an American Flag Accomplish other than Pissing other People Off ? In Reality , it is Not a Protest , but an Act of Vanity and Ignorance . To Bad we do not have Laws Against that , eh ?


What does protesting accomplish other than pissing people off? As an example all the protests over Trump winning the electoral college. We dont use the popular vote to elect the President so what does the protesting accomplish? It wont change the outcome.

Punishing people for burning the flag is something you see in countries like N. Korea. Why should we behave in the same manner?
edit on 2-12-2016 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 07:00 AM
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a reply to: Shr00mz

Destruction of inanimate objects in the act of protest are protected free speech, killing endangered animals for s***s and giggles is not.



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