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Trump suggests jail, loss of citizenship for burning U.S. flag

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 06:21 AM
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a reply to: TexasSeabee

I wish I could repost this a hundred times.




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 06:23 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: TexasSeabee

Burning the American flag is an act of desecration of what America stands for, namely freedom and liberty. Its so simple. When we say the pledge of allegiance or hold our hand over our hearts in the national anthem it is for what the country stands for, and I mean what our Founding Fathers fought for....freedom, not what the Elites have turned it into.
Why do you think that illegals and foreign nationals burn the American flag while hoisting up various other flags of other nations? It is a disrespect for our country. Those people need to go back to wherever they came from.



What about paper flag napkins we wipe bbq sauce off our faces with on the Fourth of July? Is that disrespectful? We throw those in the trash.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 06:27 AM
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originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Indigo5




“Burning the flag is a form of expression,”


indeed...a form oh hateful expression. Last time I heard...you libs dont like hate speech ?

Now dont tell me that whoever burns a flag of the US...LOVES what it stands for ? Obviously he/she hates it.

what's up with that ?


Last time I checked, hate speech was still protected by the constitution. Is it not?



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 07:01 AM
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originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Indigo5




“Burning the flag is a form of expression,”


indeed...a form oh hateful expression. Last time I heard...you libs dont like hate speech ?

Now dont tell me that whoever burns a flag of the US...LOVES what it stands for ? Obviously he/she hates it.

what's up with that ?


"Last time I heard" conservatives were for upholding the constitution like the rest of America ...but things change?

Hate speech is irrelevant..
and no offense but you don't seem capable of divining what a hypothetical protestor is thinking at some point in the future burining a hypothetical flag.

No..it is not "obvious" nor relevant.

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 07:16 AM
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originally posted by: MarioOnTheFly
a reply to: Indigo5




“Burning the flag is a form of expression,”


indeed...a form oh hateful expression. Last time I heard...you libs dont like hate speech ?

Now dont tell me that whoever burns a flag of the US...LOVES what it stands for ? Obviously he/she hates it.

what's up with that ?


Also... I am posting from my mobile and can't see your profile.... but the structure and word choice of your post suggest to me that English is your second language, a Slavic language is your first and you might have learned english via American rerun TV?

Are you in the USA? The first amendment is not trivial to US citizens...The constitution is traditionally supported and fiercely defended by all people in the US and its representive politicians ..not just "libs"

I can see you were eager to troll, bait or participate ...hoping that context helps you out.


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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:55 AM
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originally posted by: Profusion
The following is the text of the relevant tweet from Trump.


Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!

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While I would never burn a flag myself, I don't see how it's not speech protected by the First Amendment. These kinds of statements by Trump are baffling to me. They make Trump sound like a tyrant, and I believe they can only hurt him.

If his position on the issue of flag burning is the statement above, how does it help him to say it? A POTUS cannot make laws alone. Even if a new law were passed concerning this issue, it would almost certainly have to be decided by the Supreme Court. A POTUS' opinions concerning issues such as the statement above are basically irrelevant in the big picture.

My point is that a POTUS can only lose by making a statement such as the one above. Trump is giving his critics ammunition to easily criticize him, and I believe he's tarnishing his image more than his critics ever could.

Here I go...my first disagreement with Trump. Told you I would do it if it was needed


Stepping on the flag, tearing up the flag, etc. should be considered free speech. The only exception I can think of (and I may not actually support) is if it is purposely done to start or incite violence.

However...burning the flag (or burning anything not contained) should be a fire hazard that THAT is the law that the individual needs to deal with. Much like if you want to piss on the flag...go ahead...but you should be arrested for indecent exposure.

So if you want to spit on the flag, stomp on it, etc...go right ahead. Just don't try to be my friend, employee or anything. I don't like jackasses.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 01:52 PM
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What's great about this is those that think flag burning is reprehensible will still think that. The other side will go out and burn flags just because Trump said something which is further proof the other side is still as childish as ever..

Typical left wing snowflakes doing what they do best.. Turning real Americans against them everyday.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 04:41 PM
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Burning the flag is a direct slap in the face to the people who have fought for that flag. However, we have also fought for the right to free speech and burning the flag falls under the free speech category. As much as I hate it, it is still their right to burn it. It comes down to having the morals to understand why we shouldn't burn the flag and the people who are doing the burning just don't have the morals. Yes, it is wrong and we hate it, but as soon as we limit one type of free speech, the other types start to fall like dominoes. The cabal wants us to ban it, so they can ban other types of free speech and we can't let that happen.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: 727Sky

People died for that flag and the principles it once stood for...



I think that's the problem.

People died for the flag, but the flag remains sacrosanct and untouchable.

As for me, I'd rather burn the flag and save the people.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 05:17 PM
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I cant believe people really believe, burning a piece of cloth no matter what it represents, should be a crime. Its absolutely barmy, and completely terrifying. And that people actually use the death of those who died fighting bull# like this as a reason to support it.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: WilsonWilson
I cant believe people really believe, burning a piece of cloth no matter what it represents, should be a crime. Its absolutely barmy, and completely terrifying. And that people actually use the death of those who died fighting bull# like this as a reason to support it.


Could not agree more. Whats the world coming to? I just have to put this up again, as a reminder:




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:47 PM
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It is illegal to burn it, always has been. Burning the flag has nothing to do with free speech. Burning the flag is what darkest, meanest, nastiest people in world do. Same who kill innocent lives. They should be sent to the middle east and north korea and burn flags with them.

Have problems with your country you don't burn it down. You use words to express your freedom of SPEECH. When the country is in distress, you flip it upside down.

Literally, you should have a worse punishment. It shows you are a worthless American who condones defiling a flag that not only has defined you and your family, your heritage, but is symbol of MILLIONS who's blood was shed to die for it. Burning American Flag is an act of terrorism, it's an act of tyranny. It's YOUR JOB [/B] as an AMERICAN to protect that flag, not the crooked politics or something you don't agree too. So had country for 8 years... and now going to burn the flag?

Further prove their idiotic brainwashed socialists/communist fascist who should be court marshaled not for their opinion but turning their back to the country. There was a group who loved to burn flags, divide and conquer, and rule the world. They were the Nazis, and that American flag preserves not just us but the world. With or without conspiracy.

Cry babies. You 35%'ers can just leave if dont like democracy. You lost. Practically by a LANDSLIDE. Say what you have to say, but don't burn our flag because refugee immigrant George Soros paid you too.

Silent Vote. No duh Clinton thought she'd win, she'd cheat her way in like she did Bernie. Most Dem/Rep/Ind knew this!! We kept quiet and let her go to sleep before the giant woke. Guess what? It worked. Finally a fair election. Just because California dont like it... pft. I can deal without Hollywood you dont run entire country. Neither does NYC. RIP the Jefferson Republic.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: darkbake
His tweet is over-the-top. Flag burning is protected free speech. Loss of citizenship is something that wasn't even allowed to be used for terrorists under the Bush administration. Hopefully, Trump does not plan on taking away the citizenship of people he doesn't like. And Republicans ask why he seems fascist...


Just a quick point: burning a flag is way more over the top than voicing an opinion on it.


I somewhat agree, but this is the President-elect's opinion, and we don't know if he is going to pursue policies like that or not. The President-elect basically tweeted that he is willing to revoke citizenship as a punishment.
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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:00 PM
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RIGHTS:
Protest. FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Organized protest.

"Flying the American flag upside down is an officially recognized signal of distress. § 8(a)The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property."

Practice of Terrorism:
Burning books, flags, art, riots. Calling for war and using hatred and destruction to gain political goals.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:16 PM
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It's hard to stomach this.

Is right way and wrong way.

Right now millions and millions of homes have an American flag given to them to remember why their loved one didn't return home. Its offensive to me and MANY people who swore an oath to protect the sanctity of our flag and preserve the United States Constitution. Those who didn't just risk their lives... but died to see that very flag didn't so much as touch the sand of Normady, or dirt from mountainous islands of Iwo Jima. It meant something to them, and it means something to me.

I don't like how country has become, but not in our darkest days should we ever destroy the fabric we swore to protect.

It is a symbol. It's symbol of other countries who wave our flag in hopes of a better tomorrow. Half of middle east begging for freedom. That flag is symbol of revolution. Symbol of freedom. Burning it solves nothing but your own acceptance to rid it and create a new world order. It only helps what you so fear. It's not a flag of Big Government or One World Order... It's flag that remained when we took our independence and without it shows we have none.



posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:45 PM
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originally posted by: Shr00mz
It is illegal to burn it, always has been. Burning the flag has nothing to do with free speech. Burning the flag is what darkest, meanest, nastiest people in world do.


Yeah, the founding fathers burned the British Flag, and set up their own American Flag. I guess that was the darkest, meanest, nastiest thing they ever did.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 12:55 AM
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51 pages in and there is a simple answer -

Flag burning - Is protected as free speech by 2 US Supreme Court Rulings.

Loss of Citizenship - A ruling by the US Supreme Court says a citizen (natural born) cannot have their citizenship taken away by the government. The only way for a natural born citizen to lose their citizenship is if they do it on their own.

Any questions?

Sources
Flag Burning
* - Texas vs. Johnson (1989)
* - US vs. Eichman (1990)

Citizenship
* - Afroyim vs. Rusk (1967)
* - Cyrus Vance (Secretary of State of the United States) vs. Laurence J. Terrazas

Is Trump wrong in this area? Yup, just as wrong as Obama when he said he visited all 57 states. If you want a leader who can walk on water your setting yourself up for failure regardless of party affiliation.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Shr00mz
It is illegal to burn it, always has been. Burning the flag has nothing to do with free speech. Burning the flag is what darkest, meanest, nastiest people in world do.


Yeah, the founding fathers burned the British Flag, and set up their own American Flag. I guess that was the darkest, meanest, nastiest thing they ever did.



Yet the US flag is created from the British flag.
13 Red and white stripes to denote the original 13 colonies.
50 stars (currently) to denote each state.
The blue field the stars are set on is a head nod to the British.
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posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: Profusion

More suppression of rights and more govt oversight of Americans.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 02:20 AM
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I just think Trump is still just trying to enjoy saying what he can say as a normal citizen right now before he has to polish himself up for the refinement by the state required for proper diplomatic dialogue. But if he keeps on as he wants, I would be happy too.

He sort of reminds me of the world leaders that don't wear that high end designer corporate suit look as a way of saying "yea man, I am your leader, but I am still a fellow citizen too" by just shooting hipfire out the "speech.

I still want to see someone encouraged to sing the star spangled banner and recite the pledge of allegiance for burning the flag as a way of avoiding a fine. It would be one of those ironic laws that would be cool and fun. Maybe instead of enforcing the fine with jail time, we just throw a lean on them??

Its like, I don't care how much I hate my governments sometimes, I always love my country. Because my country is my friends, family, the events I enjoy in the community, the places I see and the fun I have the privilege of having. Now why burn that flag if we love our friends, family and fun?? hmm triple FFF-, haha that can be a grade we give to people or designaion we call flag burners. I wonder if I can turn that into a campaing??? @/#FFF- haha

"If old glory is USA, and USA is our FriendsFamilyFun, then don't be a FFF- bro"
"eww man, those people are so FFF-"
"damn dude or dudette, Im like totally down with protesting policies, but I am so not down with being FFF-"
"I Pity the fool who's FFF-"
"Shame on you for being FFF-"


Lets see if I can pass that around online.



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