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Trump suggests jail, loss of citizenship for burning U.S. flag

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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
If you burn a flag, a Quran, a Bible, the last people you have to worry about is the government. A seething mob is more likely. Either way, burning symbols, flags, and books is just as superstitious and symbolic as much as lynching or arresting people for doing so is.



Way to commit.


Thank you.




posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:36 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
It's much better to make them look like idiots in their meaningless endeavour. It does nothing. It solves nothing. It is unnessecary. It's a waste of time, money, materials. It is a peacock's display of stupidity.


I tend to agree with this.

I think the people getting fired up about flag burning are falling right into the trap that flag burners want you to get fired up about. They want to get a rise out of you so you do confront them.

If it bothers you, ignore them, people hate that.




edit on 29-11-2016 by AugustusMasonicus because: Zazz 2020!



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:37 PM
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I'm sitting here thinking about what it would take for me to put a match to my country's flag...

and thinking

and thinking

and thinking

*shakes head*

Can't see me doing it, but I'll defend the right of others to do it every time as long as I get a good reason from them. If they're just being irreverent little pricks having a laugh, they'll see my back.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships
No one had a problem when Hillary Rodham Clinton wanted to ban burning the flag?


Why do you now suddenly support Clinton's unconstitutional idea?



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: TurkmenAlevi
I agree with TRUMP,


Of course you do. You Joined 3 days ago.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:45 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: yuppa



This is just propaganda and publicity stunting.


On Trump's part, I would agree. I don't think he gives a damn about flag burning and is placating to the ultra-nationalists in this country.



Although.. if i was trump id appoint judges to overturn or amend those decisions made by previous Supeme courts. Such as the Texas V white case.


Screw freedom, huh?

That sucks.


No NO.. Reversing th eone that gave us no way to leave th e country is granting more freedom.
Id leave Roe V wade alone. The burning of a flag unless in a safe area si a fire hazard though.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Teikiatsu




First off, it's "we hold these truths to be self-evident


Thank you. I saw more than one post with "these rights" and thought I was having a Mandela moment there for a sec.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus


I say if you want to burn that stupid book knock yourself out.


Ha ha thanks...not actually my idea of intelligent expression....

However the point I was making was that the POTUS at the time
felt the need to apologize for our soldiers burning the koran, but
he never seemed to have a problem with flag burning.

Personally, I think people who feel the need to light things
on fire on a sidewalk are lacking in mental capacity.

Not sure what that says about those who encourage
pyromania, lol...as you said I think I agree it is a way
to get attention no doubt.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Kali74

I think desecrating a national symbol of our country is about on par with molesting a corpse. Both misdemeanors.

Bad comparison,should've picked another example. One could argue right back that this is presenting the flag as holding similar worth AS said corpse rather than the punishments being similar.
You can't say you couldn't have thought of anything better, because this is at the bottom of the barrel for law choices for someone on as high a horse as you've been on.

Equating the flag to a rotting, disintegrating meatsack in terms of value & punishment deserved. That's a new one o.O



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: SargonThrall

I cant address that as you really got confused there....
Sorry.


I do not support burning witches either.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: 200Plus
I don't think anything as drastic as jail or loss of citizenship is required.

Maybe something more simple like:
"Anyone participating in the desecration of the symbols. flags, or emblems of the United States will not be subject to the rights and protections afforded by laws and statutes of that nation for the period of 10 minutes."

I think in the end it'll work itself out.


Excellent !



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships
However the point I was making was that the POTUS at the time
felt the need to apologize for our soldiers burning the koran, but
he never seemed to have a problem with flag burning.


I do not give a crap about that numpty idiot's opinion.


Not sure what that says about those who encourage
pyromania, lol...as you said I think I agree it is a way
to get attention no doubt.


I do not think I have seen anyone encouraging people to burn anything, just that we recognize the right to free speech.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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What about burning the confederate flag?




posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: JinMI
Sorry I'm REALLY late to the party but what part of flag burning is actual speech. As in spoken or written?


As in method acting.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:03 PM
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"America isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship. You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say "You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours. You want to claim this land as the land of the free? Then the symbol of your country can't just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest. Show me that, defend that, celebrate that in your classrooms. Then, you can stand up and sing about the "land of the free".

- President Andrew Shepard
The American President (1995)
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posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:05 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

Whose quote was that? Because that was spot on.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: burntheships
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Except that is lighting fire in public, which can bring harm
to another person, which has actually happened.

Fortunately, the good police put the fire out, and saved
everyone. So why should lighting fires in public be legal?



This can't be real life. A thread about free speech and the first amendment has devolved down to local ordinates about fire safety.

The American Flag, a symbol of freedom around the world and thus, free speech, freedom of protests and dissent against governments !!! All American lives lost in war, fighting for that exact freedom.

But yet, back at home, if ya burn it, those freedoms don't apply.

One of the most entertaining and sociological informative threads on ATS in awhile.



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Xcathdra

Whose quote was that? Because that was spot on.



It's from the 1995 movie The American President and was said by President Andrew Shepard.

I forgot to add that part so thanks for asking. I fixed it.
edit on 29-11-2016 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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a reply to: Profusion

Todays word is suggests

Trump just making a statement because some Americans are burning our flag and it is disgusting, it is an insult to our veterans.

These safety pin, cry babies have no damn respect for their own country.

Yes, it is legal to burn our flag under the first amendment, however it is disgraceful. I really do not believe Trump is going to challenge the first amendment.

Nothing to see here folks.
edit on 29-11-2016 by Informer1958 because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 29 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu
What about burning the confederate flag?



Long as its th eonw with th ehuge white field which is th eOne claimed by th econfederacys president as racist. the other one has gotten a bad rap.




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