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Columbia Reporting Plane Crash 81 People Brazilian Soccer Team

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:51 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
According to the airline website, before it was taken down, the range of the aircraft involved was 1842 miles, which means it didn't have extra tanks. There was no reason whatsoever for them to try to make this flight in one hop from Santa Cruz. Even if they hadn't run into the hold for the unscheduled landing, they would have been far below the international requirements for minimum fuel.

This is what blows my mind. How is it that nobody realized that the flight distance was beyond the plane's range? And why didn't they make an unplanned stop at some other airport along the way once they realized that fuel was going to be a concern?




posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

It's actually just barely within the range of the aircraft, but they didn't have the ICAO required reserves when they got there. They were pushing it to get there with the fuel they had, and had zero margin for delay. They should have routed it from Santa Cruz, to Bogota, to Medellin, but they may have been concerned with duty time and not having the hours to get there.

The co-pilot, 29 year old Sisy Arias, was a well known Colombian model. She was on her first flight as a civilian co-pilot. She gave an interview from the cockpit just before they departed, and talked about her pride in flying the team to Colombia. Another co-pilot for Lamia said, "It’s like that, Lamia guarantees the service on the charter flights in the most productive way we can and with all the respective aviation safety."

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posted on Dec, 1 2016 @ 09:54 PM
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The pilot skipped a fuel stop in Bogota, because he thought they had enough fuel on board. The air traffic controller that was talking to the plane has received death threats since the accident.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:17 PM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
The pilot skipped a fuel stop in Bogota, because he thought they had enough fuel on board. The air traffic controller that was talking to the plane has received death threats since the accident.

Threats i would take seriously in that neck of the woods.



posted on Dec, 2 2016 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Soloprotocol

Oh god yes. She didn't do a damn thing wrong either. She put an aircraft that declared an emergency ahead of an aircraft that stated they were low on fuel, but hadn't declared an emergency.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

then there is this...saying the pilot lied on the form ..the document given to Colombian authorities claimed his LAMIA aircraft took off from Cobija, which is almost 500 miles closer to Medellin -(500 miles north of santa cruz) he would have had extra fuel,like about 90 minutes worth.

was the pilot trying to avoid a refueling fee? ending up paying the ultimate price with their lives?



www.dailymail.co.uk... roes.html


edit on 3-12-2016 by research100 because: added info



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 01:46 PM
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a reply to: research100

With him being an owner of the company, it all boils down to trying to save money on fuel,and pushing the limits. He's done it before many times and gotten away with it, and thought he could this time too and it finally caught up to him.



posted on Dec, 3 2016 @ 11:30 PM
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Conflicting reports on the skipped fuel stop. Now they're saying that the flight took off 20 minutes late, because they were looking for a player's video game. That meant that by the time they got to Cobija, it had closed for the night.

Because of this crash, Bolivia is facing a downgrade of their safety rating by the US. They had previously been downgraded in 1994, and got their category 1 rating back in 2001. They would join a small number of nations deemed not meeting international safety regulations if they are downgraded.


LA PAZ, Bolivia (AP) — The U.S. could downgrade the country's aviation safety rating because of irregularities that may have contributed to this week's crash of a chartered plane carrying a Brazilian soccer team, Bolivia's Defense Minister said Saturday.

As investigators probe what caused the crash that killed all but six of the 77 people on board, a string of human mistakes and irregularities have emerged, leading experts to conclude that one of the worst disasters in sports history could have been prevented.

Attention has focused on why the British-built regional jet was allowed to attempt the flight between Santa Cruz, Bolivia and the Colombian city of Medellin with barely enough fuel to cover the route. According to a flight plan obtained by Bolivian media, the total flying time was set at 4 hours and 22 minutes — the same amount of time of fuel the aircraft had on board.

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posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: Azureblue
a reply to: EchoesInTime

The Brazilian govt fell out of favour with the US govt not long ago.

Perhaps this event is a form of attack on Brazil and or its leadership? Lets see what eventuates over the next few months.


There is war being waged between nations right now over transgender rights, the world order thinks Brazil is responsible so things like this are happening all over. The mining spill was another attack on Brazil.



posted on Dec, 4 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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Chapecoense will be awarded the Copa Sudamericana title.



posted on Dec, 6 2016 @ 10:30 AM
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This is looking worse and worse for LAMIA. They sent two aircraft to the Brazilian Air Force (who does a lot of technical work for airlines) for undisclosed repairs. The claim is that they only paid for half the work, and left the aircraft. After several months the aircraft were seized, and the pilot that died in the crash was detained for several days over it.

www.adelaidenow.com.au... 90c0



posted on Dec, 6 2016 @ 07:08 PM
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Talk about a bizarre twist in things. Captain Miguel Quiroga, the pilot of the aircraft, had a warrant for his arrest, after he went AWOL from the Brazilian Air Force two years into his four year commitment.


The captain of the plane that went down over Columbia with a Brazilian futbol club aboard was reportedly a wanted man in the eyes of the Bolivian Air Force, having abandoned his post for better pay before fulfilling his military commitment.

“Captain (Miguel) Quiroga, who was a pilot of the plane that crashed, had a trial with the Bolivian Air Force, even had a warrant,” Bolivian Defense Minister Reymi Ferreira told state news agency ABI.

Quiroga reportedly grew tired of Air Force life and left before the end of his contract, resulting in a warrant for his arrest and a pending trial with the Bolivian Air Force. According to ElPais, it costs approximately $100,000 to train a Bolivian Air Force Pilot.

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