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Italian minister says: "Surrender your homes to immigrants or face jail."

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posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: loam

originally posted by: loam


The woman in the white jacket is unbelievable and representative of what is wrong with Europe.

Bat sh*t crazy people in total denial.



Yes because they can debate their BS then get away from it living in a nice rural location,they do not have to put up with all the negative crap people have had forced on them.. Europe the last 10 years has turned into a hell hole!!! and we can thank the regressive left for it...


RA




posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 11:37 AM
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Meanwhile:

2016 sets new record for asylum seekers reaching Italy by boat



More asylum seekers have now reached Italy by boat in 2016 than in any previous year on record.

Nearly 171,000 people have arrived in Italy from north Africa since the start of the year, according to statistics compiled by the UN refugee agency and the Italian government. As of Monday, the total had surpassed the previous record of 170,000, set in 2014.


And here's another debate (again in Italian), but the woman in white is essentially asking that if private hotels can now be seized for the purpose of housing these immigrants, where will it end? Given the number, will second homes be next? Then primary homes after that?

The host then asks, but isn't that the humanitarian thing to do?



Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: slider1982

Agree 100%.

Europe is barely recognizable....and the US is hell bent it appears to do the same.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 11:45 AM
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a reply to: DeathSlayer

The Italians and the French....

I'm shocked I say.

Shocked.




posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 11:54 AM
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I have some pitchforks and torches I'm willing to lend.

Up to you guys to figure out how to use them.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: loam




posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
I really really hope this is some of that fake news weve been hearing about because if its not then its absolutely disgusting


Its Infowars.


yes..its fake news. batboy and lobstergirl get married level fake news..with a occasional sprinkle of truth just to have the nuts demand "look, this bit is backed up, therefore its all realz"



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:13 PM
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originally posted by: cynicalheathen
I have some pitchforks and torches I'm willing to lend.

Up to you guys to figure out how to use them.



They know what they need to do, Mussolini and Clara Petacci found out the hard way.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:30 PM
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originally posted by: loam


Dude, do you ever have any interest in educating yourself???

It is real. They are forcing private citizens to house immigrants. While I know these are in Italian, they confirm the story. If you don't speak Italian, find someone who does, and that you trust, and see for yourself.

I think it's safe to assume you won't accept my translations.
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I speak Italian and they are not kicking people out of their own homes to give it to the immigrants. They are using a very old law from 1865 where they can lay claim to vacant/unused properties. The owners receive a payment from the government and they have only done so with hotels.

The man in the video, Mr Fogli, refused to rent his hotel rooms to the government to house immigrants temporarily, so the government forced him to. They never kicked him out and never done it for free but Mr Fogli refused because he wanted more money than what they offered.

That's the real story.

I have not been told by my family in Italy that people have been kicked out of their own homes to house immigrants, neither have I read about it in the news. But please feel free to post any links for me to read if I'm wrong.

I think this is infowars and Alex Jones making money from lies again.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:41 PM
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Sad state of affairs. The coporatocracy and the military never though it would take this long to subjugate the Middle East and Africa. The law givers don't care about these refugees from war torn impoverished countries any more than they care about that hotel owner. The police man is just "doing my duty", "give us the keys or we'll break the locks and you'll have to pay for the damages..."

The people making these policies and ordering law enforcement to impose them upon civilians don't live there and will never be subjected to refugees flooding into their neighborhood.

They don't have to suffer the wars, fight in them themselves, pay the "Austerity" debt or deal wth the fall out. They are far removed from the actual struggle.

Frog pond temperature is rising.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Agartha


The man in the video, Mr Fogli, refused to rent his hotel rooms to the government to house immigrants temporarily, so the government forced him to. They never kicked him out and never done it for free but Mr Fogli refused because he wanted more money than what they offered.

That's the real story.

I doubt that very much. Read my last post. in the video, the police threaten to break into the rooms and let the hotel owner "pay for damages, if he doesn't hand over the keys". The hotel owner has no idea how many are coming, how long they are staying, how much he will actually be compensated or how 'climatized' the 'migrants' (read that refugees) are to western culture.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

I understand that they are not forcing refugees into private homes...yet.

But as Luigi Fogli indicates, they are forcing occupation of his private property (his hotel) against his will.... which, btw, is where he lives and is his home.

Everyone there is losing their minds over it and many see what's coming next.

It also doesn't help when Angelino Alfano admits this isn't off the table. Link. Or that this guy, Domenico Manzione, plays fast an loose with his weak denials:



No need to talk to your family or mine over there. Alfano and Manzione's words are very clear from here.

edit on 28-11-2016 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: loam

a reply to: intrptr

Look, I am not saying I agree with this and my family are in North Italy and they are all upset about this, as private owners should be able to decide what to do with their vacant second properties (or hotels). But this is completely different from what infowars is saying and we cannot assume they will start kicking people out to house immigrants.

What the government offered Mr Fogli was to rent 5 triple rooms for 2 months and he is going to get 15 Euros per day per refugee. I disagree with forcing him but they are not leaving him without rooms for private guests and they are not leaving him in the streets. He will get 13500 euros for 2 months. This is not what infowars is saying. (LINK)

I disagree with the requisition law, but renting vacant rooms in an empty hotel is not the same as 'kicking Italians out of their houses'. They may also think of taking second homes that are not in use, usually holiday homes and, just like with Foglio, with a payment.

And in your last video Manzione said that people should not be worried as nobody is going to be kicked out from their own homes and that the government is not going to take vacant second homes by force.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha
But this is completely different from what infowars is saying


I understand that too. I don't care about infowars.

What I do care about is that it is a fact that involuntary confiscations of private property have been threatened and are now apparently taking place in Italy.



What the government offered Mr Fogli was to rent 5 triple rooms for 2 months and he is going to get 15 Euros per day per refugee.


It's not an offer. It's a taking, when it become involuntary. Moreover, this source says 8 euros a day per refugee.



La cosa ancora più sconcertante è la requisizione dell’Hotel Lory che di fatto viene affidato d’ufficio ad una “cooperativa” e per il cui uso il proprietario riceverà 8 euro al giorno per migrante.


Where in Europe, or in the US for that matter, can a person rent a hotel room for between $8.50 and $16.00 a day??? You think that's fair compensation?



They may also think of taking second homes that are not in use, usually holiday homes and, just like with Foglio, with a payment.


And that is ok??????



And in your last video Manzione said that people should not be worried as nobody is going to be kicked out from their own homes and that the government is not going to take vacant second homes by force.


Why should he be believed? Alfano didn't take it off the table. Moreover, housing refugees was supposed to be voluntary. But that didn't work out so well for Luigi Fogli, did it?

So vacation and second homes are next...

And then?

Immigrants are invading Italy and the apparent government plan is to make private citizens house them. Period.
edit on 28-11-2016 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: TheFlyOnTheWall

TBH, during the work day I really don't have that kind of time. People, thread creators, should be taking that time to find a real source and stop using Alex Jones.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: loam
I understand that too. I don't care about infowars.


I mention infowars in my posts to confirm the OP is wrong as nobody is being kicked out of their homes and nobody has been threatened with jail.


Where in Europe, or in the US for that matter, can a person rent a hotel room for between $8.50 and $16.00 a day??? You think that's fair compensation?


It's not per room, it's per person as they are allocating a minimum of 3 people per room (see my link).

Your source also says he'll get more money than my source, 20 thousand euros without having to pay employees. That's not bad for 2 months.


Facendo due calcoli l’imprenditore riceverebbe quasi 20mila euro al mese senza dover pagare dipendenti




And that is ok??????


If you re-read my reply to you, you'll see I said I don't agree with what they are doing, but I am trying to point out that the original article used is spreading lies.


Why should he be believed? Alfano didn't take it off the table. Moreover, housing refugees was supposed to be voluntary. But that didn't work out so well for Luigi Fogli, did it?

So vacation and second homes are next...

And then?

Immigrants are invading Italy and the apparent government plan is to make private citizens house them. Period.


Most Italian citizens are fed up with this, as Italy is having more refugees than any other country in the EU.
But Fogli had verbally agreed to that (stated so in your own source) hence they forced him to take those refugees for 2 months. The problem here was that Fogli wanted more money.

Let's see what happens in the future before we jump to dramatic conclusions that may never happen.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Agartha

I don't see much that we disagree on then, except the whole "let's see what happens in the future" thing.

It's not smart to wait until the government kicks down your door to demand safeguards against it. They crossed a line they said they wouldn't. Why should it be believed they wont cross the next line?




edit on 28-11-2016 by loam because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Agartha
I speak Italian and they are not kicking people out of their own homes to give it to the immigrants. They are using a very old law from 1865 where they can lay claim to vacant/unused properties. The owners receive a payment from the government and they have only done so with hotels.

The man in the video, Mr Fogli, refused to rent his hotel rooms to the government to house immigrants temporarily, so the government forced him to. They never kicked him out and never done it for free but Mr Fogli refused because he wanted more money than what they offered.


I speak Italian as well and can confirm what you stated above.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Alex Jones huh?

When will ATS ban this liar?


That would be the pot calling the kettle black.



posted on Nov, 28 2016 @ 02:10 PM
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More evidence to show the UK made the right decsion by leaving that loony bin.


I wonder how many politcians are housing immigrants in there mansions?







 
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