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China's secretive space program threatens NASA's dominance

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posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:32 PM
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China is increasing it's space budget to almost 700 Million (2011-2015), while Nasa's is 5.6 billion. They have big plans about going to the moon and mars. Of course the Chinese space program is very secretive, but the do want to build their own space station, land on the dark side of the moon, and have a rover on the moon all by 2021.

The story goes into how the Chinese hope to spur new private start ups to take the place of the state owned ones that are presently helping with the space related businesses.

China plans to land manned missions to the moon and mars. They want to hit the moon with "taikonaunts" (Chinese astronauts)by 2036.


The launch of the Shenzhou 11 spacecraft in western China last month marked another great leap forward for the nation’s space program and its ambition to send manned missions to the moon and, eventually, Mars. Yet more than national prestige is at stake: China is counting on its space program to pay huge economic dividends.

China is NASA’s biggest rival in space exploration with plans to land “taikonauts” on the moon by 2036 and Mars thereafter. Along the way, President Xi Jinping hopes the space missions will spawn a wave of Chinese innovation in robotics, aviation and artificial intelligence, among other leading 21st-cen
www.bloomberg.com...


Of course with space tech it can easily be turn onto super neat weapons. In 2007 china showed off it's satellite killer missile. China is the only country to put a quantum communications sat and a telescope to look for dark matter, and this was the last year alone.


It also developed weapons: In 2007, the nation tested an anti-satellite missile by blowing up a Chinese craft. Now, China is spending big on scientific endeavors, launching the world’s first quantum-communications satellite and a telescope to search for dark matter in the past year alone.

“Scientific space research is expensive and sees very little practical benefits in the short term,” Wu said.




posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:48 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

NASA has a budget of $19 billion.

I don't think we have to worry about China outspending us.

But China is hungry. They are more willing to take risks in order to master space the way we have in a faster way.

The US has been very risk averse when it comes to space exploration. It's an attitude that I think needs to change.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Thanks for the real #'s on the nasa budget, the story quoted the 5.6.

I think it is going to be a p!ssing match between the US and China, and Trump is the man who would do it.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

It's an attitude that I think needs to change.

Exactly. Honestly it doesn't matter to me which country pushes the envelope. I just want it pushed.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:56 PM
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a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I would want America to make all the needed tech, put it to good use and get this thing moving.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

I just think that our expansion into the cosmos is not without risk. I'd be willing to die if it meant my species would spread across the face of the galaxy and endure forever.

More than anything else I want humanity pushed toward becoming a Type 1 civilization. We are SO CLOSE to it now.

Everyday Type 1 technologies are being developed and research conducted. It will be another 50 to 100 years before we become a true Type 1.

But here's the best part, the most dangerous part of this transition is now. This is the hurdle in history we have to make it over, or we won't survive as a species.

But once we do, the steps to becoming a Type 2 or 3 civilization becomes a lot easier and a far more harmonious process.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:01 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

They broke it down for the 2017 budget. The baseline request for NASA is $18.2B, the Senate wanted $19.3B and the House wanted $19.6B. The Science Mission Directorate would get $5.6B, of which around $2B would go to Earth Science, between about $1.4 and $1.9B to Planetary Science, between $696 and $807M to Astrophysics and STEM Education, the Webb Telescope would get about $570M, and about $698M to Heliophysics. The rest would go into other NASA programs.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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I think China will dominate space. They don't have to worry about political correctness.

We could have been doing manned landings on Saturn's moons by 1980 but nooooooo they had to be politically correct and cancel the Orion Project. Stupid concerns about radiation and such that China won't be held back by.

Now we cant even send men into orbit lol.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Is that the part that Trump is going to slash?




$2B would go to Earth Science



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:08 PM
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China's secretive space program threatens NASA's dominance


Umm...

Maybe in the same way Kia is threatening Lexus....

-Chris



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: seasonal

NASA has a budget of $19 billion.

I don't think we have to worry about China outspending us.

But China is hungry. They are more willing to take risks in order to master space the way we have in a faster way.

The US has been very risk averse when it comes to space exploration. It's an attitude that I think needs to change.


$20 billion a year and NASA can't even send men to the space stations. Can't even put men into space. The future of space belongs to China.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: RedDragon

$1,600,000,000.00 in 1967 had the same buying power as $11,502,735,562.31 in 2016

Annual inflation over this period was about 4.11%



From 1962 to 1967, Gemini cost $1.3 billion in 1967 dollars.[1] In January 1969, a NASA report to the US Congress estimating the costs for Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo (through the first manned Moon landing) included $1.2834 billion for Gemini, broken down to $797.4 million for spacecraft, $409.8 million for launch vehicles, and $76.2 million for support.[20]
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:17 PM
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originally posted by: seasonal
I think it is going to be a p!ssing match between the US and China, and Trump is the man who would do it.

Good. I hope so

China is our competitor, and ultimately everyone benefits from competition. If they are gonna try to go into a brawl over who has the best science and space travel, I am all about that...go nationalism! we can do it..get a Trump Casino on Mars by 2020!



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:20 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

Probably. Even if they only take some of it and put it to COTS or Orion, it would help.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: seasonal

We have been doing this more than 50 years...Im not worried about China just getting started with less than a 7th of the money, discounting inflation for one of those 50+ years



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: RedDragon

Since the retirement of the shuttle program NASA began by hitching rides on soyuz craft.

Now they rely on SpaceX and others.



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:21 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

Only in the publics view



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: projectvxn

Only in the publics view


What?



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: BlueJacket
a reply to: projectvxn

Only in the publics view

I assume you are privvy to top secret info about some mysterious special space program that only a few very elite people know about?



posted on Nov, 27 2016 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: RedDragon

Because not all of their budget goes to space. Only about a quarter of it goes to actual space programs, and there are far more of them than just the ISS and getting into orbit.



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