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Donald Trump, Pepe the Frog, An Egyptian God of Darkness, and Chaos Magick

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posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:23 PM
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I'm placing this in "2016 US Elections" because it's all about the 2016 Election in a strange sort of way and I couldn't find a place that seemed a better fit. Apologies to the mods if I chose poorly.

Introduction

When Hillary Clinton's team identified Pepe the Frog as a symbol of the alt-right and by relation white supremacy, many people scorned her for failing to understand Pepe's significance in Internet culture and for foolishly misidentifying the symbol. And they were right to do so. While the symbol of Pepe is undeniably used in that context, it is used as a meme in an incredible variety of contexts and that is only one of them. But what if the meme does have an ultimate significance? What if it has an inherited occult meaning? What if it has an occult power? What if this is not just a meme? What if it is in fact a powerful symbol intended (consciously or unconsciously) to bring about a result?

That's Ridiculous ... Isn't It?

It sounds that way, doesn't it? Of course, the notion of an anthropomorphic frog becoming a symbol embraced by white nationalists also catches one off guard. The whole theory (which did not start with me) sounds ridiculous, but it has a strangely compelling ring to it. But what if gods, or archetypes of gods, are always present but rarely real. Let's say that usually they exist in the way that a blueprint exists. What if their stories and their imprints in human consciousness can under certain circumstances be realized. This would be why in the practice of Voodoo and some South American religions, people attempt to commune with their gods in altered states of consciousness. They try to create the preconditions that allow the gods to realize themselves. But what if it were possible for this to happen on the Internet, via meme, whether by accident or by intent?

4chan, dubs, and Kek

Kek, like Pepe, "dubs", and Trump, are adored things in the /pol/ channel of 4chan, where it's hard to find the line where earnest belief ends and trolling begins. It is a place where people revel in being politically incorrect in every way that they can. Insults and memes are flung about chaotically and flining words that would have you 86'd from a drinking establishment in a heartbeat is celebrated here. "Kek" is essentially a new version of LOL and "dubs" are when the final digits of your unique post number are repeated in your next post. Almost a sign of good luck. Kek is also, it turns out, an Egyptian god of darkness and chaos...

en.wikipedia.org...(mythology)

...who happens to be depicted as an anthropomorphic frog.

"dubs" in this community can be a bit like magic. People invest in the idea that incredibly improbable runs of repeated numbers might signify an outcome in terms of what is being discussed. This stroke of luck is called a "GET". And this is where things take an interesting turn. It is asserted by the source that got me interested in all of this that Trump-related posts were known for the frequent appearance of these GETs, far beyond what probability would say should be expected. So we have an unlikely confluence here; a meme that has been chosen by /pol/ as a sort of beloved mascot which happens to be an anthropomorphic frog, an Egyptian god of darkness and chaos who is also an anthropomorphic frog, some of the most animated Trump supporters on the Internet, and a lot of bell-ringing in terms of unlikely coincidences surrounding discussions of which Trump was the subject. That's all a little weird, right?

Uh, Chaos Magick?

Yeah. To put it shortly for those who are unfamiliar, Chaos Magick could be described as a non-dogmatic system of Magick built on the notion that reality can be manipulated and that methods for doing this can be discovered through experimentation. There generally are no rituals, magick words, gods to sacrifice to. There are simply methods that individual practitioners believe work for them and these methods are shared in books and within the community. One of the most common techniques is to create a sigil that encapsulates intent. One way of doing this is to write out the intention as a sentence and then take each letter of each word of the sentence and weave them into an image that is unique but recognizable to you as a symbol of your intention. While concentrating on the image, you do something that causes a very intense sensation or emotion; for example, inflicting pain upon yourself. This is thought to be a sort of shortcut that helps to project your will into the universe, perhaps by interfering with the parts of your consciousness that would otherwise act as a governing mechanism. When a sigil is seen by many, it becomes a "hypersigil" -- thought to be exponentially more powerful than an ordinary sigil, channeling the emotional experience of everyone who interacts with it.

The theory is that Pepe became a hypersigil representing the will of the /pol/ members to see the political order overturned by Mr. Trump.

9/11/2016

Around 9/11/2016, three major events occurred that were fortuitous for Trump's campaign and which were surprising to observers, to put it mildly:

* Hillary Clinton's health flap in NYC
* Hillary Clinton's declaration that Pepe is a symbol to be reviled - a bizarre thing to mention at all
* A B-side called "Magic Sound" featuring a frog holding a magic wound recorded by the artist "P.E.P.E" was found by /pol/ members

Summary - See For Yourself

In essence the idea is that Kek was summoned either intentionally or unintentionally and Kek chose Donald Trump as his vehicle for bringing on an era of darkness. Kek influences the world by causing the dice to "roll wrong". You know, things like actual vote outcomes to differ wildly from what the professionals expect, or Clinton experiencing a very unlucky episode of weakness on camera, or her campagin wrongheadedly deciding to declare war on a meme and then totally dropping it. If one were to buy into any of this, there is a smidge of optimism in the picture: Kek is part of a duality, and after Kek's reign of darkness comes the day.

This whole theory essentially comes from this blog:

pepethefrogfaith.wordpress.com...

I've left much out in the interests of being succinct and I strongly suggest you read the theory and check out the various screenshots yourself if you find this interesting in the least.
edit on 26-11-2016 by JohnnyElohim because: Edit to explain why this was placed in the 2016 US Elections forum.

edit on 26-11-2016 by JohnnyElohim because: (no reason given)




posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:37 PM
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Shadilay!
SHADILAY!
KEK defeated moloch!
P.E.P.E willed it!!!!!

But seriously the Coincidences are astounding to me



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:38 PM
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When Hillary Clinton's team identified Pepe the Frog as a symbol of the alt-right and by relation white supremacy

That statement right there has me already recognizing the thread has failed before it began.Maybe you should have put that closer to the end. I would have read further



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:42 PM
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Okayyyyyy...

Your sources on Egyptian magic are misleading.

Kek is part of the Ogdoad cosmogeny; a creation story from Heliopolis. He never really "took hold" in Egyptian beliefs and is at best a minor deity. He represents "unformed-ness" - the primordial soup from which all things arise. His pair/counterpart/wife was Kekhet who is more usually shown as a frog, though frequently the two have serpent heads.

The deity of magic was actually human-shaped and said to be the son of Atum. He is the personification of personal magic (his name refers to the 'ka' or 'spirit'.) His name is also the word the Egyptians used for magic.

nota bene: I am glossing over a LOT of material here. This is just a "dictionary definition" and doesn't get into the various spells, function of magic, magic and the gods, Isis (great in magic), destruction rituals, magical bricks, etc, etc, etc.

...sometimes a frog is just a frog.
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posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:44 PM
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Oh yes... the Egyptians didn't have a concept of a 'devil' though there were spirits that could harm things. The Great Devourer (Apep) was not a devil, but was the End Of All Things.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Byrd

I think the idea is less that it is Egyptian magic and more that in a sort of archetypal sense the attributes of Kek were made manifest. To be sure, the whole thing is pretty wild, but it's wild in an interesting way.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Gothmog

I'm honestly not sure why you feel that way but I'm sorry if it put you off. Seriously, though, check out the link at the end. Even if for nothing but entertainment, it's fascinating stuff.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:49 PM
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originally posted by: dashen
Shadilay!
SHADILAY!
KEK defeated moloch!
P.E.P.E willed it!!!!!

But seriously the Coincidences are astounding to me


It sounds like you're familiar with this whole thing. Were you watching /pol/ at that time? Any chance you can speak to the author's assertions about the "intensification of dubs"?



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posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim

originally posted by: dashen
Shadilay!
SHADILAY!
KEK defeated moloch!
P.E.P.E willed it!!!!!

But seriously the Coincidences are astounding to me


It sounds like you're familiar with this whole thing. Were you watching /pol/ at that time? Any chance you can speak to the author's assertions about the "intensification of dubs"?


Dubs get was checked.
witnessed.
the intensification of dubs in certain breads was screen capped.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: Byrd
Oh yes... the Egyptians didn't have a concept of a 'devil' though there were spirits that could harm things. The Great Devourer (Apep) was not a devil, but was the End Of All Things.


You're obviously quite knowledgeable on Egyptian lore and I appreciate your sharing of this information. As I touched on earlier, I would encourage you to think of all of this more through the lens of Chaos Magick in which Kek is invoked and less any sort of traditional application or interpretation. I would also put forth, in case it's not obvious, that I'm not overly credulous about any of this but can't help to find it more than a little fascinating.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:00 PM
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Wait... pizza comes in triangle slices. Mind Blown.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: dashen

How strong was the consensus of people active at that time who felt something truly strange was afoot? The screen cap with the person who was begging people to stop for fear of breaking reality was pretty wild.



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

It was a major happening across several breads.
Rickrolling and spaghetti everywhere .
But the 4chan weebs and neets are very excitable in general



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim
a reply to: Byrd

I think the idea is less that it is Egyptian magic and more that in a sort of archetypal sense the attributes of Kek were made manifest. To be sure, the whole thing is pretty wild, but it's wild in an interesting way.


His archetype is "formless nothingness." He also represents day and night and the "raiser of light."



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyElohim

originally posted by: Byrd
Oh yes... the Egyptians didn't have a concept of a 'devil' though there were spirits that could harm things. The Great Devourer (Apep) was not a devil, but was the End Of All Things.


You're obviously quite knowledgeable on Egyptian lore and I appreciate your sharing of this information. As I touched on earlier, I would encourage you to think of all of this more through the lens of Chaos Magick in which Kek is invoked and less any sort of traditional application or interpretation. I would also put forth, in case it's not obvious, that I'm not overly credulous about any of this but can't help to find it more than a little fascinating.


I actually know something about Chaos Magick as well. For Chaos, more experienced practitioners use Loki, Coyote, etc, etc. Heck, you could even use Set from the Egyptian pantheon.

But not Kek, unless you just really were into frogs... and if you were into frogs and needed Egyptian, you'd use Hequet instead (who is female and a healer and invoked for childbirth.)



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

It was a major happening across several breads.
Rickrolling and spaghetti everywhere .
But the 4chan weebs and neets are very excitable in general


I really appreciate your chipping in. I'm not exactly hip to the 4chan. Did you check out the link at the end by any chance? If so, does that person's depiction of this whole thing seem about right to you? It sounds like they're pushing a book on Chaos Magick, so I'd say they've got an interest in presenting a trumped up version of events (coughs, ducks).



posted on Nov, 26 2016 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Well, personally I think the whole theory is a bunch of superstitious BS.

BUT..........................

I also find it very well thought out and creative and I like it. I also think there is some truth to parts of it in a non supernatural way. Star for you for posting it too.

The internet has been a very interesting alternate reality for some time now and it's power has gotten to be so large it's now effecting our normal reality in fascinating ways.

BTW, the techniques used in the Chaos Magic part is almost identical to how spells and ancient magick/magic has been done as far back as we have records for it. Magick/Magic in a sense is always described the way you're talking about Chaos Magic actually. It's all about changing reality by using the force of one's will to create those changes and the formulas or rituals are much less important than is usually thought. What is important is the will and desire and focus of the one trying to use the magic. The rest are all just there to try and bring that focus of will to it's maximum potential. That's why the symbols and words change over time and stuff. Otherwise it would just be science and not magick/magic.




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