originally posted by: Voiceofthemajority
I'm curious to hear how fellow ATS'ers would take this news and how they might expect the country at large to react moving forward under Madame
I feel it would be a huge mistake personally. A Trump presidency scares me and others for lots of reasons. But this in the long term could be even
worse in my opinion, at least with it happening in this particular way, at this particular time.
Firstly, it would mean the Democrats would learn nothing about why they lost, and would no longer feel any urgency or inclination about adjusting
their platform to truly reflect the interests of the working class and poor in America. (At one time, the Democrats were thought of as the party of
the poor and working class, but that has been a long, long dead idea, and they paid for it finally this time because their corruption, self-dealing,
and corporatism was finally no longer concealable in the eyes of the voters.) They need new leadership, preferably by those who have said all along
the establishment DNC was corrupt, and who tried to fight said corruption.
Secondly, it would mean an establishment, corporatist candidate won the election, and instead of either party being taken over from the inside by
those who refuse to accept large corporate campaign contributions and want to overturn Citizens United - among other reforms - it would buoy those who
benefit shamelessly from the status quo. It would also reward profound, not at all hidden corruption, providing zero impetus to change. Nothing would
be transformed in Washington, and we would just be back in the same boat we were in under the last few presidents, at a time when profound reform is
desperately needed to right the ship.
Thirdly, we would have a hawkish center-right military industrial complex ally in the white house again, with the political wherewithal and
connections to make a lot of potentially very dangerous foreign policy moves (that her record bears out she has no compunction about making.) Her no
fly zone idea in Syria for instance would likely increase, not decrease, the probability of confrontation with Russia.
Fourthly, and perhaps most importantly, at a time of nearly unprecedented division along political and ideological lines in the country, to overturn
the outcome in this way - to the benefit of someone Trump supporters always believed was going to "rig the election" - would turn a crevice into a
massive chasm, and possibly lead to widespread violence. If people think the riots are bad now, I don't even want to see what they would look like
after this. Or, at the very least, unrecoverable destruction to national unity.
I am not a Trump supporter, and I share the concerns and fears of those who are watching with more than a little trepidation his cabinet picks, and
remember his campaign rhetoric. I think during his presidency great effort must be undertaken to protect civil rights in particular. But handing
Clinton the presidency in this particular way, could be so injurious to our polity as a nation and a people, that we never recover from it. Regardless
of whether one believes it's the right thing to do or not, regardless of whether anyone feels the suspicions about "rigging" etc. are valid... the
perception it would create at a time when confidence in our institutions is already at an all time low, could be disastrous.
For all those reasons, I must disagree with this course of action. Unless there is overwhelming, irrefutable proof (and it can't be statistically
inferred, nor can it be something that is questionable... it must be unimpeachable evidence!) that she actually won in these states. And I think the
standard of proof is going to be so high in the eyes of anyone but Clinton supporters, as to be virtually impossible to provide.