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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: trollz
There's was a small group in Germany who were big on eugenics as progress oh, about 80 years ago or so... you related to them in any way, or just fans of their work?
originally posted by: grainofsand
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reply to: trollz
But in the above thread you stated difficulties communicating with your mother at a level above child and suspect her being mildly retarded.
I'm curious about your cut off point with retardation and abortion, how retarded is too retarded?
originally posted by: trollz
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: trollz
There's was a small group in Germany who were big on eugenics as progress oh, about 80 years ago or so... you related to them in any way, or just fans of their work?
Yeah? They also believed we should protect the environment and that animals should never be mistreated. Is that evil too? If I said it's bad to pollute and throw your trash into the environment, are you going to call me a Nazi? Ideas don't belong to groups of people, they belong to all of humanity. If I say something that reminds you of some policy of Nazi Germany, that doesn't make me a Nazi, it makes me a human being that has an idea.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: trollz
Your standard of caring for oneself makes anyone deaf and blind # out of luck in your world then as well?
originally posted by: grainofsand
Oh and just to be clear, do you advocate mandatory abortions for certain conditions prior to birth, or support parental choice?
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
originally posted by: trollz
originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: trollz
There's was a small group in Germany who were big on eugenics as progress oh, about 80 years ago or so... you related to them in any way, or just fans of their work?
Yeah? They also believed we should protect the environment and that animals should never be mistreated. Is that evil too? If I said it's bad to pollute and throw your trash into the environment, are you going to call me a Nazi? Ideas don't belong to groups of people, they belong to all of humanity. If I say something that reminds you of some policy of Nazi Germany, that doesn't make me a Nazi, it makes me a human being that has an idea.
Only issue is that the root of the Holocaust was eugenics, not protecting the environment or being nice to animals. If you're defending eugenics, yeah... I'm saying you're placing yourself amongst the same mindset that the Nazis had. Don't like that? Then change your ideas.
originally posted by: trollz
originally posted by: grainofsand
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reply to: trollz
But in the above thread you stated difficulties communicating with your mother at a level above child and suspect her being mildly retarded.
I'm curious about your cut off point with retardation and abortion, how retarded is too retarded?
Well if a person is able to function and work and be independent and whatnot, that's a bit different than someone who has to be cared for their entire lives due to a lack of ability to do the most basic of things. My mother can do things any other person can do, such as work or drive a car or cook, etc etc. For all intents and purposes, she's a normal person. But I can't expect any sort of intelligent discussion from her; she's just not capable. She literally thinks the sun and the moon are the same size since that's what they look like in the sky. I'm not saying that to make fun of her but to give you an example of her lack of ability to really "think".
To more directly answer your question, I'd say "too retarded" is when you're at the point that a person is unable to care for themselves, as with most Down Syndrome individuals, or when a person has retardation as a result of an inheritable genetic defect that could have been otherwise prevented. Basically...If the individual is unable to survive on its own.
originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: trollz
You lost me when you stated you support mandatory abortions.
How would you prefer it done?
Women in chains? Maybe drugged to sleep?
Sounds a bit barbaric to me but perhaps you could explain how you'd enforce mandatory abortions?
originally posted by: TNMockingbird
With your statements (portions bolded above) is it reasonable to believe that you would be of the opinion that if someone is paralyzed in an accident or an elderly individual is handicapped by arthritis or dementia than they should be euthanized because they can no longer take care of themselves and need assistance?
originally posted by: trollz
originally posted by: TNMockingbird
With your statements (portions bolded above) is it reasonable to believe that you would be of the opinion that if someone is paralyzed in an accident or an elderly individual is handicapped by arthritis or dementia than they should be euthanized because they can no longer take care of themselves and need assistance?
NO NO NO.
Anybody who is disabled or who needs assistance needs to be cared for and treated well!
Nobody should be killed for being disabled or handicapped!
All I'm saying is that if we can choose not to give birth to children with major genetic defects or retardation or other such things, I believe it is best not to have those births when that choice is within our power...