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originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: wdkirk
Folks still can't believe trump won. The media and Hillary and her supporters were just soooooo sure she would win. she did not win. Some of her own party were against her. Doesn't matter what I wanted. She lost. Time to get on down the road. Let's see what trump can and can't do. I for one am not worried.
I understand. She won the popular vote. She lost the pledged electoral votes. Electoral votes have not even happened yet, but I doubt enough will be 'faithless' who are Trump electors.
You are trying to imply it is all over.
The fact is, there are normal processes, like recounts, that happen. He hasn't even taken office yet. Let the processes happen.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
If they do a recount and find that the results were tampered with by being hacked are the Trumpkins still going to be opposed to it.
I have no expectations that the final results of the election will change, but if the system has been manipulated in such a way we need to know.
originally posted by: reldra
originally posted by: JimSmith
1. What is her endgame? Surely she knows she won't even hit the 5%.
2. Why would she require donations? She won't be counting the ballots herself.
UMM, voting integrity in the contested states? It will cost money to publicize this, lobby for it, it won;t be enough for people to just say , " Possibly we should recount these votes."
If nothing is wrong, it will only legitimize Trump more. I have no idea why Trump supporters are whining. This is not uncommon.
However, Trump supporters whine about anything a Democrat wants to do, even if a common practice. Tthen they turn around and say the process in and of itself is whining.
originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: reldra
funny, you say others whine, but the losers are the only ones butt hurt into riots and eliminating an integral part of our election process....because they lost.....and are not happy with that.
So they whine and bitch.
Also lets recount CA.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Grimpachi
And had Hillary been announced as winner on Nov. 8. Do you think there would be all this effort to determine whether or not the election had such integrity?
I think not. Anyone who suspected it might not have been fair would be laughed at and shone the door.
"publicly-owned, open source voting equipment and deploy it across the nation to ensure high national standards, performance, transparency and accountability; use verifiable paper ballots; and institute mandatory automatic random precinct recounts to ensure a high level of accuracy in election results."
The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence — paper ballots and voting equipment in critical states like Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, nobody is ever going to examine that evidence unless candidates in those states act now, in the next several days, to petition for recounts.
Whether or not a machine is on the internet doesn't matter.
the paper creates a record of the vote that can’t be later modified by any bugs, misconfiguration, or malicious software that might have infected the machines.
“There are still plenty of computers involved” even without digital touch screens, says Appel. “Even with optical scan voting, it’s not just the voting machines themselves—it’s the desktop and laptop computers that election officials use to prepare the ballots, prepare the electronic files from the OpScan machines, panel voter registration, electronic poll books. And the computers that aggregate the results together from all of the optical scans.”
“If any of those get hacked, it could could significantly disrupt the election.”