Reddit Pizzagate shut down

LOL here then

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a reply to: JohnnyElohim

I realise you're responding elsewhere here, but I thought I'd chime in.

We are living in dire times when an unprecedented amount of propaganda is circulating, much of which seems designed to push us towards fascism. I take this very seriously.

That is actually a very, very good point.

I'm surprised a scientist would call this an "investigation". It is a witch hunt.

For me it's an investigation. Yes, some people are pointing fingers at individuals and I'm probably guilty of that as well, but above all my primary concern is to figure out exactly what the heck is going on and without regard as to who is really involved.

People bring up paintings in Europe to support accusations levied at the employees of Comet Ping Pong.

We should probably make a distinction between the general employees of the venue versus allegations against James Alefantis. So far as I'm aware, the only person of concern here is indeed that man, not the staff. In any case, I believe the general idea regarding the paintings is that they were done by the same artist as we discussed earlier - I cannot confirm that, but if it's true then it's a matter of interest in my opinion, especially considering that John Podesta is supposedly keen on weird art as well.

As to the "spirit cooking" idea, this is something I've personally considered as being an actual thing (though not in that terminology). I have my reasons for this which I think I've discussed either here or elsewhere, although I don't care to go into it again now. Point being, I firmly believe cannibalism is rampant and that the story so far is pointing directly at it, so to me the "spirit cooking" thing is of major concern here.

Indeed, if this really is about cannibalism and there is reasonable cause for concern then it has to be investigated.

a reply to: Trillium

If that was meant for me, I already answered in that thread.

a reply to: VigiliaProcuratio

This reply is only to say that I appreciate your civil tone and patient articulation of your perspective. I'll be back with a more substantive reply addressing your particular points, but I felt it important to convey that any delay is not because I don't think your thoughts deserve reply. I think that they do, even if my analysis differs from yours. I applaud you for calmly communicating your thoughts and concerns, and for doing us all the courtesy of pointing out exactly what you think needs consideration in the linked Youtube video. I'll have a look.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Like you said these times are dire indeed, insomuch that we each need to be as cool-headed as we possibly can be.

originally posted by: Bojay
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

What are you doing here i just don't understand. I get it that you don't think that this is all real. But why just not tell it once and move on to other post that interest you. You are all over these threads that are about pizza gate and these pedos. It really make me wonder who you are and what your agenda is??

Perhaps you should articulate what you think his agenda is instead of beating around the bush. We've already heard 4 or 5 other brave souls match wits with the T & C in an effort to paint their opposition as evil paid shills intentionally covering for pedos, so you might as well throw your hat in the ring.

Now go read some other # and leave good moral people to try to fight this evil.

Oh here we go.

It's not enough to disagree with us. You have to paint us as immoral and having an "agenda." We have as much right to be in this thread as you do.

Well, erm... I dunno what to make of this one.

Reddit agreed to ban the Pizzagate sub as a result of a request from James Alefantis.

According to the Daily Fail!

What's more is that the Washington Post has directly attributed the "debunking" of the claims to SNOPES. The fact that it also uses a term such as "doxxing" seriously discredits their article.

Wow. They're desperate.

agree with criticism towards the "pizza gate" theory. it´s a mess in many ways.

but what is seriously off for me are those police sketches that are uncannily similar/identical to the podesta brothers... that and their connection to Freud and Freud having a vila at praia da luz.
the police sketches have been out for some years and it´s just a little too much of a coincidence.

can´t understand why it isn´t the center of all this.
unless i´m missing something.

originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
Wow. They're desperate.

You'd defend yourself if something was threatening your livelihood.

originally posted by: glowdog
agree with criticism towards the "pizza gate" theory. it´s a mess in many ways.

but what is seriously off for me are those police sketches that are uncannily similar/identical to the podesta brothers... that and their connection to Freud and Freud having a vila at praia da luz.
the police sketches have been out for some years and it´s just a little too much of a coincidence.

can´t understand why it isn´t the center of all this.
unless i´m missing something.

That's the smoking gun for me. The other stuff seems to fit in well too, but those ID kits is way too close to be coincidence, what's the odds on that?

a reply to: DbDraad

exactly. and as far i understand everything about "pizza gate" is distracting from that.

in Portugal we had a pedophile network uncovered with politicians and a famous tv moderator involved and most of the blame got stuck on the weakest link in the chain which was a pedophile that was working in an orphanage and drove kids to high society sex- parties- called Bibi.
the network itself was never really dismantled.
it is international and well organized. perfect blackmail system for the controllers.

a reply to: glowdog

Has anyone confirmed those sketches?

This spanish site 20 Minutos has very different sketches and it is dated 2008. Obviously very different than what all the alarmists are feeding people.

originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

Well it kind of is, but at the same time it's nigh-on impossible for anybody without the power to exercise a search warrant to prove anything since they would be liable to prosecution for viewing illegal content if they have explicitly searched for it. Accidentally happening upon it, that's different, but say I wanted to prove that Twitter accounts have been posting such content then I'd have to look for it - that would probably be illegal. So yes, there really isn't any actual evidence unless it's in the hands of law enforcement, and if that's the case then there's no chance that we'll be hearing about it any time soon.

I'm more making the point that it's unsurprising a platform as large as Twitter gets abused for these purposes and that the controversy surrounding Twitter right now has more to do with their failing efforts to police their platform as a general matter, with this being only a part of their problem. No one reasonable would look at the broad spread of available evidence and conclude Twitter was deliberately turning a blind eye to child pornography, but plenty of people with agendas would have you thinking so.

I can understand acting because people are posting personally-identifiable information, but to shut it down in its entirety is too suspicious for my liking. It might be that they received a notice due to complaints, it could even be that it became a part of an official investigation which we're not publicly aware of.

Reddit is a privately owned platform. If I was running a pub and people were trying to conduct what I perceived to be a dangerous witch hunt transparently motivated by a desire to ruin the lives of people simply for being Democrats, I'd kick them out, too.

From about 1:40 - www.youtube.com...

This is a longer version than some of the trimmed ones which might be found. What's specifically concerning is the talk of "special pizza" and soon after some waffle about a newborn baby. This is just plain creepy rather than anything substantial, but that venue is hardly the kind of place where high-profile politicians and their acquaintances should be allowing their children to sleep at. People say it's a dive and it certainly looks like one, I wouldn't even eat there judging by its aesthetics (or lack thereof).

www.youtube.com...

Alright, so. I heard no mention of "special pizza" in the first video. The speaker was joking at the expense of Subway's mascot. This portion of the monologue begins with a reference to being located under a Subway.

Comet Ping Pong does not appear to be located under a Subway. So from this I draw two conclusions:

- Those associating this video with #PizzaGate are either knowingly lying about it or have no business "investigating"
- You can't trust anything that is said about what's in these videos; people are reading over the top of them and often what's in the recording is not what is being claimed in places like r/The_Donald or Reddit.

Thus far it lines up with my suspicions. The "preponderance of evidence" is the work of dishonest hoaxsters looking to stir up animus against their political rivals.

While there may not be a direct link we are nonetheless talking about a part of Connecticut Avenue which holds several businesses which seemingly have links to Hillary Clinton, and a case of child trafficking involving somebody who is clearly rather dear to her. I guess it's an assumption if anything, unless there are underlying facts which are not in the immediate public domain. Either way, we really have to question Hillary's integrity if she's effectively exonerating somebody who has been charged with a trafficking offence. But that's not the main story here, what blew that up was the untimely death of somebody who was purportedly investigating the very subject. Who knows what really happened to Monica Petersen, but she sure did grab a lot of attention.

Don't you think that when you're accusing people of being involved in organized pedophilia, there ought to at least be a link more significant than "they're all in Washington DC and Democrats eat there, there must be something to this"?

To be honest with you, I think we have three issues here which kind of need to be separated: one is Comet Ping Pong and whether or not there is any weird crap going on there, another is whether Hillary Clinton herself has any kind of association with the place, and then there is the matter of child trafficking.

Not only are each of these unsubstantiated; the substantiation offered up is in many cases demonstrably fraudulent. People are lying about where videos were taken, what is said in those videos, where artwork is hung. Do you not see this? Do you not see why it is significant that a conspiracy theory started by admitted fascists in r/The_Donald that makes dangerous criminals of much of the political left is being supported by what can obviously be detected as fraud?

That's the real crime and the real conspiracy.

Personally, I'm not specifically concerned about Hillary because she lost the vote. Had she have won then the rhetoric would certainly be much different, but I reckon the story would've come out regardless - surely this was just waiting to be unearthed from Wikileaks one way or the other, at some time or another. I don't believe the election itself is really a factor here, I think it has much more to do with Wikileaks releasing the information around the same time (who knows, they may have done that on purpose, but it's not important to me).

What is important to me is that this is a genuine problem - that being the mistreatment of children by people involved in satanic, ritualistic and occult practices. I don't think this can be denied any longer, regardless of whether or not either Comet Ping Pong or Hillary Clinton are involved in anything of the sort.

In the spirit of being intellectually honest and scientific about my doings, I do not comment on the wider question. I have a narrow field of inquiry: what is the #PizzaGate and is there anything to it? And thus far, every bit of evidence suggests this is a psy op being run by the same people who are making fake accounts of black people on Twitter and then posting OMGZ-BLM-supports-violence messages from those fraudulent accounts.

a reply to: JohnnyElohim

People are lying

Lump 'em up, lump 'em up! Care to substantiate the point?

One could also cut 'em some slack and apply Ockhams Razor here, why are you so obsessed with their alleged mistakes? Are you personally involved or just accidentally presenting us with the same fascist mindset we're supposed to be aware of?

a reply to: daskakik

Obviously very different than what all the alarmists are feeding people.

Obviously you've never drawn a picture from the memory, or have others draw them with your lousy rests of memory-fragments to work with...

There's a significant similarity with regards to nose, mouth and his right eye-lid. You really don't see that?

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: JohnnyElohim

People are lying

Lump 'em up, lump 'em up! Care to substantiate the point?

One could also cut 'em some slack and apply Ockhams Razor here, why are you so obsessed with their alleged mistakes? Are you personally involved or just accidentally presenting us with the same fascist mindset we're supposed to be aware of?

- Claiming things are said in videos that are not said;
- Claiming paintings exist at Comet Ping Pong that do not now and never did;
- Claiming that HRC is somehow related to this when no evidence suggests otherwise;
- Harvesting pictures of children from assorted social media and claiming all of those pictures were on the owner's Instagram

Of course it could be that all of these "investigators" are delusional and incompetent, but my money is on a deliberate campaign of deception with a side of people deep in the throes of confirmation bias. The most innocent version of this story is "I really really want to believe that democrats and LGBTQ people are bad and need to be punished, so I'm not going to look too closely at the evidence."

On the moral spectrum, Germans who really wanted to believe Jews deserved to be punished and bought into stories of them drinking blood and so on belonged on firing lines.

a reply to: [post=21571324]JohnnyElohim[/post


I would assume by your posting that you seem to be some sort of disinfo guy, trying to get a lid on this, you seem to be saying loud and clear that their is "nothing to see here please move along". Why say that, when their is in all reasonableness clearly a case to answer. If they truly have nothing to hide why not have an enquiry and exonerate them all.

a reply to: daskakik

yes the spanish sketches could be relevant ofc !

but why is nobody picking up on those sketches from the english police? i just do not get it. i do not say that those sketches proof that podesta brothers are guilty - but there is sure something odd about it. released in 2013 by scottland yard.

link wikipedia about images

a reply to: DbDraad

According to The Guardian
Those ID kits are of the same suspect from two different witnesses. They are not the sketches made by the couple that were of the first suspects.

The description given says "may speak German and is white, aged 20 to 40 with short brown hair, medium height and build, and clean-shaven"

Podesta was in his late 50's at the time.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

A couple of witnesses doing the same 6 years later are not going to do better.