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The Legitimacy of #pizzagate as written by a journalist

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 12:46 AM
This is a concise overview of the #pizzagate saga and why we must keep digging. Credit to self.pizzagate

We are told the work on /r/Pizzagate (and other message boards) is illegitimate because people are rushing to conclusions, or because they are being paranoid, or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). ...
First, there is context; institutional child abuse is already a common-knowledge phenomenon. From the Presidio affair to Jimmy Saville and the BBC, or from the Vatican's historic involvement in covering-up pedophilia to US legislators' documented trips on the "Lolita Express", from the questions still surrounding Dutroux to the Hampstead doubts, the scourge has been featured in the news, movies, documentaries, art work. There have also been many policymakers, prosecutors, investigators and victims denouncing the very phenomenon ....

To honestly decide whether that's what we are seeing in the Podesta emails, please have a look at this one example. Look at the invitation at the end of the thread. Ms Luzzatto is inviting people (among which are John and Mary Podesta) to a farm in Lovettsville. This is what she says: We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure. Impossible, you say? They couldn't possibly be speaking about abusing the children! After all, what step-grandmother would offer three innocent children up for group abuse? This is how invitee Drew Littman answers the invitation: I've never had an affair, so I pass the Walter Jones test. If you aren't aware, Walter B. Jones has for 20 years been the U.S. Representative for North Carolina's 3rd congressional district; in DC he's regarded as the absurd caricature of a do-gooder, i.e. he is a noble man indeed. Agreed, if that example was the only one, one could dismiss it as baroque misinterpretation. But there's more, much more. Let's not even get into the handkerchiefs and codewords - even though "cheese pizza" is a known euphemism for "child porn" (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners).

found these kids?
- I wonder if they were three of the 82 children rescued from the child prostitution racket that was broken a few days after Weiners laptop was confiscated?

Let's not even get into the handkerchiefs and codewords - even though "cheese pizza" is a known euphemism for "child porn" (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners). How about the fact that John and Tony Podesta are old friends of Jeffery Epstein, Dennis Hastert and Clement Freud, three convicted child molesters? Who has so many child rapists as friends? Who stays friends with child rapists after they're exposed and convicted?

This is by far some of the most damning points. If you found out one of your friends had been convicted of pedophilia you'd treat them like the plague and ghost them from your life. Why would you remain friends with such a serious crime unless you didn't think the crime is bad or a big deal.

How about the Katy Grannan photos plastered around the Podestas' mansion, depicting naked teenagers? How about the underground vault on the Podestas' property which admittedly allows them to watch "very complicated video pieces"?

A quick google search of Grannan shows various photos of people. There are some which are sexualised - nipples showing through sheer clothes on models who look much younger than 18.

If you are feeling ill-at-ease, that reaction is honorable. And the worse thing is you haven't yet seen much. But for more, you'll have to look for it. Indeed one might be breaking statutory laws by linking to some of the clues Internet sleuths have found in the past three weeks. For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th "most influential" person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it's not just the frescoes in his restaurant or the "artists" he hosts there; it's not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you'll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate. If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught "liking" several of Alefantis' creepiest toddler Instagram posts? Again, that could be dismissed - only there's all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.

I've seen some of these images from the twittergate/pizzagate investigation. Horrible doesn't even begin to describe them. What once is seen cannot be unseen and the horrific nature of some of the images is very disturbing. View at your own risk.

And if you're still not distinguishing the pattern, did you know that Laura Silsby (Gayler), the woman caught trying to smuggle thirty-three children out of Haiti (a country where the Clinton Foundation isn't without controversy), whose release from jail became a personal matter for Ms Clinton, thereafter became an associate of MyStateUSA, which changed its name to AlertSense, and which is the one providing the technology to issue Amber Alerts?

I hadn't read about Silsby/Gayler before. That's a whole 'nother rabbit hole to fall down. Why on Earth would Hillary want to save this woman from prosecution? Apparently most of the "orphans" had living parents and families. Why would you let a child smuggler stand at the helm of a missing child organisation>> Like putting an alcoholic in charge of the liquor cabinet.

In terms of national systemicity, the statistics are eloquent. The International Centre for Missing Children (ICMEC) estimates that 8 million children are reported missing each year around the world. Of that number, according to U.S. Department of Justice research, an estimated 800,000 children will go missing in the United States alone — a rate of over 2'000 missing children each day — with 466,949 of those cases entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database in 2014. With a current child population (aged 0 – 17) of around 74 million in the United States, the U.S. Department of Justice figures equate to around 1 child in every 92 going missing in the United States each year. This looks like a systemic problem indeed. Childhood disappearances outnumber cancer deaths in the United States by one third. Therefore, given the sheer amount of leaked emails, and the suspected phenomenon's scale and repartition, it is likely the data dumps (Podesta and other Wikileaks, Guccifer 1/2, DNCLeaks, etc.) provide some clue to the problem. Therefore, they should be investigated thoroughly under than particular lens, and suspicions need to be corroborated with other (and previously) known facts.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 12:56 AM
Part 2
Very sad that more kids disappear in America than die from cancer. It unfortunately isn't just down to world-class Western medicine but an exaggerated number of child abductions. I assume the majority of these cases are due to parental abduction to keep the child/children from having access to the other parent. For most cases we never find out what happens to the children.

There have been many plants/shills who are purposely trying to derail such threads. They automatically announce that PizzaGate and TwitterGate are stupid, there's nothing to see here and that the investigators must be sick as they're reading so much pedophilia in these emails. Don't give up.

Where there's smoke there's fire. There are too many coincidences that stack up and at the end of the day if a child's safety comes into question it is all of our responsibility to ensure that child is safe. Keep digging. Don't let TPTB sweep this under the carpet again.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:02 AM
I really honestly don't know where this is going or even how far it goes.

But there are WAY too many coincidences with regard to pizzagate to be dismissed off hand like some do, or to be reinterpreted to mean something that is obviously out of place.

I don't know what is actually happening here. But it's starting to look like Podesta and others in his circle, are involved in child abuse and trafficking.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:07 AM
With all the haze around Sandy Hook, the mind can't help but wonder.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:08 AM
a reply to: Kalixi

This journalist makes many good points.

It is astounding that there are those who say that there is nothing to see here and that everyone who thinks otherwise are simply psychologically projecting their own views onto the subject matter, the images that are being discovered speak for themselves.

This s*** is disturbing on a very deep level.

I pray that those who are investigating these be protected and the elites dark deeds are exposed.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:13 AM
S+F for exposure.

Here's the problem...

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

People need to find a balance between allowing their minds to entertain the conspiracy and staying objective. It's a very emotional topic and the magnitude of this truth is a huge paradigm shift for many people. Applying logic can be very hard during those times.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 01:36 AM
a reply to: Kalixi

or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). ...

Glad they brought that part up. So far I'm seeing so many calls towards that as a way to debunk all of it.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:04 AM
When will this country wake up, as well as England, to these atrocities for our most vulnerable? Okay, it's out there, we have names and info-who's gonna prosecute? FBI? CIA? Will this not happen until we protest at the White House-Capitol?

Podesta is pure evil-its been hidden too long? How do we disgusted citizens get our government to act? Should we contact our federal representatives? Where to go with this knowledge-or does the shadow government still have its grips on our feds?

Is there a group moving forward to prosecute and stamp out this evil? I want to know.

Thanks so much for pursuing this and bringing it to my attention of this disgusting and heartbreaking situation-I won't just read this and say sad. I will take action as best I can. Your words and investigation are not wasted on me.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:16 AM
The way John Podesta is exposed in these emails, and all the new context and affiliated people who have histories of child abuses and exploiting kids which is clearly linked in all the underlying information, then you can also easily conclude that the Clinton's also know everything about it. And if they know, then Obama knows, and they know all the players involved and how dirty they are, and they have protected themselves in different ways, most of which would be the threat of blackmail.

Some of these people should be waterboarded and just see who spills the beans on this cesspool.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:17 AM
a reply to: projectvxn

What seems to be a general trend in America and Britain, is to actually place apologists for child abductions in positions where they can monitor the movement of children. Very strange indeed.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:19 AM
the streets of washington are PAVED with symbols. Wake up people.

Time to start listening to Jordan Maxwell, Freeman (from freeman perspective) Manly Palmer hall, Santos Bonacci, all the victims who have been portrayed as crazy people with insane imaginations...

And specifically this thread created by BeTheFlow.

This might actually mean that the USA was created by Satanic child traffickers as a type of Satanic empire. Look what has happened.

How else can you kill millions of Native Americans. Millions of Jews. Call it a hollocaust which translates to, "a burnt offering."

These are the people that write the history books. These people wrote the bibles for all three monotheistic religions. They write the law.

This is the president of the United States! (for the last... maybe ever since the united states was created)

You think it ends there?

Why does the FBI wear an 8 pointed star? Why do they dress like Nazi's. Why do priests and judges wear black robes? Why do priests molest kids? Why has none of this been told on the news EVER?

Does anyone know that the TV made popular by Adolf Hitler?

This goes deep people. Here they are rubbing it in your faces. (or crying out for help)

This is the reason we have starving children, oil wars, terrorism, monsanto, pharmaceuticals, the list goes on...

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:27 AM
a reply to: booyakasha

Where's the people's rage! We need to organize-this should be a Trump concern. Of all those interest groups and lobbyists is there no one to speak for the victims, the children? Talk and talk get us no where. Need money and power.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:27 AM
a reply to: booyakasha

Where's the people's rage! We need to organize-this should be a Trump concern. Of all those interest groups and lobbyists is there no one to speak for the victims, the children? Talk and talk get us no where. Need money and power.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 03:57 AM
Have you ever seen the South Park episode with the Super Adventure Club? That is what this reminds me about. The Chef was recruited into this club with these super wealthy people who went around the world having sex with with little kids. They hypnotized the Chef and had him in on it too.

You wonder what inspired these plots. They must come from somewhere.


The downside of indulging in sensual pleasure is that eventually you reach a sort of bankruptcy where things that used to give you pleasure do not any longer, and you have to find other things to give it to you. Maybe this is more of a dilemma for the uber-rich and spoiled.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 08:33 AM
a reply to: nOraKat

They definitely hide their actions in plain sight, like booyakasha said.

Its like they try to either get our consent covertly, or try to corrupt us all in a show of their power.

Either way, their sick to the highest degree. I appreciate all that investigate these animals and keep this topic atop our minds, although I'll keep tabs from a distance.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 09:45 AM
a reply to: Kalixi

Kalixi...can I get a link to this article that works.
I had it bookmarked last night and this morning after taking a look at some threads my pc went nuts and I had to spend some time getting the thing to even load anything online. Now, it's gone from my bookmarks and I am having real trouble finding it. The search engines are giving me nothing (imagine that, aye)

...hopefully, someone's got that saved.


ETA....found it.
Here it is again for those who wish to have it on hand...took me a while.

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posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 11:34 AM
Nice schematic and as I can observe, legit.

Large Picture

And of course many details and links are not presented.

This is no coincidence. This is tip of criminal conspiracy of unbelievable proportions. TPTB really do not want this # to hit the fan because half of verchuska is more or less involved.

How it could happen? Alphabet agencies need a dirt on anybody so they cover and run this. Everybody is susceptible to blackmail.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 11:40 AM
Adding this article:

This Pizzeria Is Not a Child-Trafficking Site

I sure hope an innocent business and innocent people are not being falsely accused.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 12:08 PM
a reply to: loam

That article seems to ignore the peculiarities and creepy coincidences that spawned the PizzaGate conspiracy theory. I'd say they're dismissing it rather than debunking it. If they want to debunk it they need to examine the actual emails and facts rather than just saying: ignore it, it's fake news.

Some of the most outlandish enterpretations may be disinformation, and possibly cover.

posted on Nov, 22 2016 @ 12:16 PM
a reply to: loam

But for sure tables are covered by body juices and patron is liking bit monothematic "art" pieces .

Or some nuts decided to trash his business just because Obama ping-ponged there?

Maybe it is plot set by near pizza stand owner - that is nice solution. Agatha Christie TM.

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